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  •  Let's imagine for a moment (6+ / 0-)

    That we're walking down the street.  A strange person is following us in a car.  Or, even a person we know but who is NOT a friend.  

    Then, disturbingly, this person stops the car as you leave the road, AND GETS OUT TO COME AFTER YOU.

    I'm just stunned that anyone can imagine this scenario without picturing the dread that would come over a young boy, watching this shit happen.  Zimmerman was doing something very creepy and threatening, and if I were the target of that kind of attention you BET YOUR SWEET ASS I'D TAKE A SWING at the guy who followed me in his car, and then got out to keep following me.  

    Of course, I don't have a Fox News-supplied fake picture of some mug shot in my head when I picture Martin.  Perhaps that's why I can see it, and anyone who was tarnished by a tv set in the last two years can't.

    •  Just so you know (12+ / 0-)

      If a person is in a car on a public street and appears to be following you, and then stops the car and gets out and starts following you on foot, all in a public place where both of you have a legal right to be, and you hit him, YOU have committed the crime of battery.  He has committed no crime.

      You are not justified in hitting him unless and until he makes an overt threat of violence or force, or actually uses violence or force, against you.  If he follows you AND when he gets to you, points a gun at you, or tries to hit you, THEN you can hit him.  If he comes up to you and says something really, really, nasty (calls you a name, or maybe an ethnic slur) but not in any way threatening violence, you are NOT legally justified in hitting him.

      •  Just so you know (1+ / 0-)
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        if Martin had killed Zimmerman in exactly the circumstances you're describing, he'd be alive and free today, because the standards for the SYG defense are considerably lower than those for assault. Plus no reliable witnesses, of course.

        Oh, but this is Sanford, Florida we're talking about. Never mind.

        Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

        by Nowhere Man on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 04:43:32 AM PDT

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    •  I entirely agree with you-misunderstanding? (2+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, Nowhere Man

      or misplaced under my comment?

       Elsewhere  on this diary we had this same conversation where you let me know about the killer's hollow bullets. You responded with that when I'd been commenting on how important it is to look at it from TM point of view...I'd said that we have solid evidence that TM took of running when he saw GZ on the phone, and we have solid evidence GZ did run after, and that TM had to experience being chased in the rain in the dark by a strange adult male for no known reason.

      I don't imagine this scenario without primarily seeing it from the innocent person's (unarmed person walking home) position. If people can look passed any racial bias they have, the normal fallback should be (should have been) to imagine any scenario from the position of the person walking home who was unarmed. They should think "that could have been me!" That people don't is very very telling.

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