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    I referred to your stated belief that greater "oversight" over adults in our society, is "good".      

    I believe that providing options and resources to families is more beneficial to society as a whole, than providing "oversight", so that families have the resources to  address their own unique social problems.   There is evidence supporting the belief that when you strengthen the social programs, violence declines.   What you call "oversight" creates a one-size-fits all approach that limits options and creates an adversarial situation between citizens and government, and fails to address the root problems, such as the way that the drug war has given rise to the gun epidemic.

    It is the type of simplistic thinking that first gave rise to the "drug war".   Let's just pass a law against drugs.   We've seen how well it works.   The root problem is the social problem, basically poverty, and that's where we'll find the answer.

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      I think the point is the ease with which a person with high anxiety, who might not be the best person to be in possession of a firearm, was able to obtain said firearm, with no oversight as to the proper use of the weapon except the threat of arrest and incarceration AFTER she's had occasion to potentially do harm.
      a lot of people had to die before legislative action requiring seatbelt laws and safety airbags had to be taken up. The result? A lot less death, and therefore a good deal less mess. You are making the perfect the enemy of the good, with the implication that because ideal symmetry can never be obtained there's no point in even trying. That kind of thinking was at the forefront of governance in this country until very very recently. The result? Starving elderly, workers with no rights, Jim Crow and other abominations.

      Having your license plate number in a data base the average highway patrolman can access might sound like "Big Brother" to you, but I don't think fighting drunk driving was what had Orwell all worked up...

      These are the two comments I made from which you formed a judgement as to what "someone like me" is like. Please identify for me where you find the words "oversight" "adult" and/or "good." This is a phenomenon known as "putting words in someone's mouth." Your high-toned theme of providing resources to families comes with one hitch, as far as your anti-goverment stance is concerned. It's the Big Gummint doing the providing. If you hate when Gummint has an "oversight" role, why would you be happy for them to run what I presume in your mind is a vastly expanded social welfare system? Again, you may think you're real cute, but your trope (before Government can touch the guns it has to solve the combined problems of poverty, mental health and drug interdiction) is not new, as it is a favorite theme of the many pro-gun activists who while away the hours here advancing NRA ideals. Hope you have a nice evening at the shooting range.
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        by mrblifil

        I think the point (10+ / 0-)
        is the ease with which a person with high anxiety, who might not be the best person to be in possession of a firearm, was able to obtain said firearm, with no oversight as to the proper use of the weapon except the threat of arrest and incarceration AFTER she's had occasion to potentially do harm.

        I said..

        To what extent should our society provide "oversight" over adults?  How Big should Big Brother be?
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        And, in the end, life is still inherently dangerous and messy, no matter how much we micromanage our "oversight" over adults.  

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        by mrblifil


        You are making the perfect the enemy of the good,

        So, you clearly did say, "oversight".  

        I said "adult", and you did not dispute it.   If you are suggesting laws and oversight by government only related to oversight of minor children, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.  

        And, you said "the perfect the enemy of the good", in the context of our debate over the degree of oversight, implying that additional oversight, which my comment was debating, was the "good" that we were discussing.  Again, if you can elaborate on which "good" you were referring to, that was not additional oversight by the government over adult citizens, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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