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  •  Medical writings going back to Ancient Egypt (18+ / 0-)

    have recipes for herbal potions to "induce menstruation."  Late period?  No problem, take a potion and your period will come on.  Maybe a little heavier than usual, and with more cramping.  Take some willow bark for the cramps.

    Abortion hysteria is a 20th century creation.  

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

    by Tracker on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 12:39:05 PM PDT

    •  Interestingly, I just found out recently (8+ / 0-)

      that Ancient Egypt was one of the few societies of its time that did not permit the practice of leaving unwanted infants to die of exposure.

      Hmmm.  Coincidence?

      •  Mmaybe. . . (5+ / 0-)

        The testimony of "Exodus" is ambiguous, and Egypt was two kingdoms of a very, very, very long duration, so I don't want to be to certain of myself, but consider the story of Moses:
        1. Pharoah thought the Hebrews were breeding too much and were "undocumented aliens" in his land,
        2. He suspected that they would side with an Eastern king who invaded,
        3. So, he ordered all first borns to be placed in the river.
        Ok, now the Mediterranean version of infant exposure only works with the belief that the gods rescue some. "Pharoah's daughter" (a goddess) rescued an infant -- possibly ritually, to validate the beliefs so that each parent could believe that it was their child rescued.

        That also explains why Moses could walk in on Pharoah and demand things: his body would be sacrosanct as a divine rescue in the Egyptian religion and a validation of what had to have been an ongoing practice.

        I know that it's hard to prove Exodus, but the story in it is actually nothing like the story in movies. (E.g. the Jews were not slaves. They were bonded, so they were more like serfs.)

        Everyone's innocent of some crime.

        by The Geogre on Tue Jul 23, 2013 at 03:41:22 PM PDT

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        •  I wasn't specifically thinking of Biblical Egypt (2+ / 0-)
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          so much as historical Egypt.

          I am not sure the Exodus story is relevant here; a royal decree to cut down an outlander population doesn't have much to do with the practice of exposure as a means of dealing with one's own unwanted infants.

        •  There is no evidence that the Jews (1+ / 0-)
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          or rather Israelites were ever held en masse in Egypt. They had writing and kept records. And they would have left cultural artifacts.

          It was a good story to gussy up the origins of the set of rules they demanded all live by.

          I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

          by samddobermann on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:42:25 AM PDT

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          •  Clarification: No record of exodus (0+ / 0-)

            We don't have all the Egyptian records by any stretch. The central claim for which there should be evidence but isn't is that there was a massive exodus of a slave population. Such an event would be recorded.

            My point is that the Book of Exodus, and Genesis before it, does not support the idea of slavery. As useful as that interpretation is, culturally, they were bonded to stay in a land they were given to use. This would make them initially a guest population and later serfs. Pharoah wanted to decrease/deal with the population to start with, and there are indications that Pharoah is suspecting them of being a fifth column in dealings with an eastern force that isn't named.

            Having them abandon the land and abrogate their contract would be an offense and get them chased, but it wouldn't be something that would be recording on a column. There is evidence for the Israelites in Egypt, but they were not a huge event for the kingdom.

            Everyone's innocent of some crime.

            by The Geogre on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 07:57:57 AM PDT

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    •  actually 19th century, in the (2+ / 0-)
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      1860s and 1870s was when the laws prohibiting abortion were passed. And it had a lot to do with the flood of "swarthy" immigrants coming in from eastern Europe and Italy. "Our good White women were being out bred!"

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 06:37:54 AM PDT

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      •  "The West's Suicide Pill" -- P Buchanan (1+ / 0-)
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        The racist "white twilight" garbage now says its name with pride. Pat Buchanan called the birth control pill the "suicide pill of the west" in 1999. Why? Well, because nice girls are not having those babies, but the dark people are!

        Everyone's innocent of some crime.

        by The Geogre on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 08:00:00 AM PDT

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