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  •  The American security apparatus was notified by (19+ / 0-)

    two separate governments that the older brother was a problem.  They were on the internet searching for bomb making materials and even downloaded instructions for doing it.  These are all of the kinds of red flags that should have provoked our government to stop them - and in this case and under current law they could have easily done so with all of the powers they have.

    That's not imperfection.  That's outright failure.

    •  Bzz bzz bzz (1+ / 0-)
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      Reggid

      No system is perfect so to point to the Boston bombing in an effort to prove the system is fundamentally broken is to fail to prove anything.

      •  But it does prove that there is something (7+ / 0-)

        VERY wrong with NSA's system that it didn't at least flag the Boston bomber. Google could have done a better job.

        In any event, i won't matter how much data is collected if the system doesn't know how to ask the right questions. As it stands, the system may only be good for reference purposes after the fact or for 'chilling'.

      •  My original point which I stand by entirely (0+ / 0-)

        is that these broad sweeps are clearly overwhelming therefore the introduction of legal limitations - oversight and a demand for focus on specifics - is likely to result in better results.

        The courts play something of a management role in helping to set priorities and limiting fruitless busy-work.

        Before these people could sit safely and secretly behind a computer, they had to get out of their chairs and go talk to people.  To watch them in person.  The FBI did go and interview the older brother, but then they left it presumably to our computerized domestic spying apparatus which obviously didn't turn up the information it should have.

        It was a fail.  A major fail.

    •  From what I have read (2+ / 0-)
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      And remember, Testimony out if one of the hearings on bombing incident, said that at the time the govt LE agencies were hyperfocused and spying on those associated with the Occupy Movement. You know those who were exercising their right to peaceably assemble for redress of their govt, and not planning on building bombs to harm innocent people at a major sporting event like the marathon bombers. But, priorities, one group was using their words to speak out against the plutocrats and oligarchs.

      I understand nothing is full proof (not a good argument to continue " collect it all " unabated, but on the other side of it, what 's so difficult about getting search warrants.

      The millions/ billions  we spent to beef up security and the new department of Homeland Secuity and yet multitasking is still too hard when your especially if the main concern is keeping the masses and hoi polloi in line.

      Government of, for, and by the wealthy corporate political ruling class elites. We are the 99%-OWS.

      by emal on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 02:00:51 PM PDT

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    •  if they had opened a pot dispensary? BUSTED! (0+ / 0-)

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Wed Jul 24, 2013 at 04:31:09 PM PDT

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