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  •  You're accusing me of steretyping? (8+ / 0-)


    If someone comments on a stereotype that exists in real life, you think that person is the one stereotyping?

    It's a long running stereotype that was one of the common themes that ran through the book, "Malcolm X."
    Here is something from the Jim Crow Museum at a University in Michigan.

    The "terrible crime" most often mentioned in connection with the black brute was rape, specifically the rape of a white woman. At the beginning of the twentieth century, much of the virulent, anti-black propaganda that found its way into scientific journals, local newspapers, and best-selling novels focused on the stereotype of the black rapist. The claim that black brutes were, in epidemic numbers, raping white women became the public rationalization for the lynching of blacks.
    It's not something I am inventing, nor something that I supporting.  It's something I am commenting on, because it seems to be a feature of American culture.  An as a feature of American culture, it is written about in academic settings, used in popular culture, comedy, and many other areas.  


    by otto on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 09:41:11 AM PDT

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    •  It's part and parcel of the abortion and sex-ed (1+ / 0-)
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      obsession of the right. Control sex at all costs! But only sex with or by white women!
      Call it paternalism, whatever, it's a power trip that even the least powerful (white) men can join in on.

    •  Of course that stereotype of black men exists (1+ / 0-)
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      I refer to your statment that

      Millions of white men feeling that they are somehow sexually inadequate
      You don't even call it a "stereotype." You write as if it is a fact.  

      You fail to see the irony in this, I realize...

      •  Do you disagree? (5+ / 0-)

        Are you disagreeing with my assertion?  

        I fail to see how it's a stereotype.  I'm asserting an opinion about the consequences of the media myth of the hypersexualized black male.  

        I can see why you'd disagree, but if I said, "White men, in general, fear...." well, that would be a fair criticism on your part.  

        In this case, I think I'll disregard the morality shaming, and simply assume that you disagree with the assertion.


        by otto on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 10:53:47 AM PDT

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        •  Well, you said "millions" (1+ / 0-)
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          i saw an old tree today

          so yeah, I think it's a baseless stereotype--one that should find no refuge here.

          •  Baseless? (1+ / 0-)
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            Do you really think it's baseless?  So you disagree?  


            by otto on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:28:50 AM PDT

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            •  I give up.... (0+ / 0-)

              Have someone else read it for you.

              •  It's good that you gave up (1+ / 0-)
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                Nowhere Man

                It was a pointless and absurd thing to accuse me of.


                by otto on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:49:48 AM PDT

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                •  True, pointless... (0+ / 0-)

                  as you are still not getting it.

                  But why am I bothering?  Seriously, ask someone else to read this comment sequence.

                  This has nothing to do with your obvious and indisputable reference to a stereotype about black men.  My comment was about another stereotype, that you referred to not as a stereotype, but rather as what you see as an apparent matter of common fact (which is, after all, what a stereotype is), regarding how millions of white men see themselves as sexually inadequate compared to black men.

                  Yes, that's a stereotype, and not a very positive one.  It's strange, but not surprising, that few here seem to get that, or worse, seem to be bothered by it.  

                  This is the kind of thing which reduces the credibility of the Left on these issues.  That troubles me, as one who has to defend liberal and progressive views on what is often hostile turf.

                  •  otto got what you were saying (2+ / 0-)
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                    kyril, Woody

                    and just disagreed. See this comment way upthread:

                    I can see why you'd disagree, but if I said, "White men, in general, fear...." well, that would be a fair criticism on your part.  
                    Otto wasn't saying that all white men, or even most white men, feel that way. In fact, if only about 4% of white men in America feel that way, then otto's statement is technically correct. I don't know of any data that would verify or refute the claim, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than 4% were like that.

                    Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

                    by Nowhere Man on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 04:26:49 PM PDT

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    •  It's anti-sex, it's anti-nature. it's a legacy (4+ / 0-)

      of Puritanism...North and South alike.  In the North it's often taken the form of prejudice against 'brutal' (Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, take your pick).  Sometimes it all comes down to envy, the awful feeling that someone else is having a better time than you are...

      •  True (3+ / 0-)
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        richardvjohnson, kyril, Nowhere Man

        I don't know specifically of any historic stereotypes about the sexuality of those ethnicities, other than the ones that are culled from their religions.  

        It's true that xenophobes use the other to justify their actions.  

        One of those has been to portray the black male as overly sexualized and brutish.  It hadn't occurred to me until I studied the issue during a women's lit class I took some 20 years ago.  


        by otto on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 11:39:37 AM PDT

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