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  •  Which stories "should" get attention (7+ / 0-)

    All well and good to decide what people "should" pay attention to. There is, however, the data that proves what people "do" pay attention to. Show ratings, ad sales, clicks on web pages, etc. Those are what drive the decisions. Corporations are essentially amoral. It is CT to think they are conspiring among themselves to provide bread and circuses to the populace, beyond what demand the populace expresses for bread and circuses.

    Progressive radio has gotten nowhere even close to making inroads agains RW talk radio. Look at the ratings winners
    http://www.talkers.com/...

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 02:37:57 PM PDT

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    •  I always find it amusing (6+ / 0-)

      and saddening to walk past a row of newspaper boxes in front of the courthouse every day.

      Just by looking at USA Today, the L.A. Times and the San Diego Union/Tribune, you can get a fair idea of what the owners want the U.S. to be thinking.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 02:40:20 PM PDT

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      •  What you are seeing (2+ / 0-)
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        That is not "what they want you to be thinking about"; it's their best guess on what many of your fellow citizens want to be thinking about. It is their "bet" on what will inspire someone to drop some quarters and lift the lid on that box. You've got two avenues open to you to change what you see. 1.  Let the paper know that you are wanting to think about something else. 2. Persuade large numbers of your fellow citizens to do likewise.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 02:58:04 PM PDT

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        •  Not the Union/Tribune. (5+ / 0-)

          The U/T tells you what they think is important.  The owner is a strong-arm bandit.  Their sales numbers have plummeted since Manchester bought it, and he doesn't care.  He owns all of the regular papers in the county, and uses them for blatant propaganda.

          USA Today tells you what they think will sell papers by entertaining/distracting the buyer.  They put drivel like the royal baby on the cover, because they want their audience to be TV watchers.  Almost a tabloid.

          The LA Times (so far) tries to put news there, but not for much longer, I fear.

          I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

          by trumpeter on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 03:39:05 PM PDT

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        •  The San Diego Union-Tribune (2+ / 0-)
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          owners have always worked hand in glove with the powerful, moneyed interests in the county.  They have never responded to what the public wanted.  And it has only gotten worse in the last decade.

    •  It is not CT to suggest that corporations will do. (5+ / 0-)

      What is in their own best interest.

      It is CT to think they are conspiring among themselves to provide bread and circuses to the populace, beyond what demand the populace expresses for bread and circuses.
      Who pays these corporations to put their shows on the air?  Do you think that corporate news will bite the hand that feeds them?  You are right they are amoral but do not think that they are above purposely lying to the public because one of their advertisers or their board members or some quid pro quo relationship wants them to.

      As for the progressive radio being shut down, in portland Oregon, they shuttered a well established progressive radio in favor of Seattle's third sports radio show.  Radio ratings have long been disputed in the manner in which they are calculated and maybe it was a business decision but explain to me why they haven't made a business decision to get rid of Rush yet.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 02:51:33 PM PDT

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      •  The hand that feeds them (4+ / 0-)

        That's you and your consumption patterns ("you" in the broad sense of the entire potential audience).
        That's why going after the advertisers of bad programming can be effective up to a point.

        Why they haven't gotten rid of Rush yet may have to do with the ratings in the link in my prior comment. We can dispute all we want about how that rating got calculated, but until there is some industry acceptance of some different calculation that's the best they can go on. Even as we erode the numbers of advertisers willing to buy those millions of ears when Rush is on, they can still use those numbers to their advantage on total listnership of the station, selling advertising to programs that lead into or out of his show, etc.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 03:21:07 PM PDT

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        •  I disagree... (3+ / 0-)

          Consumption patterns only matter in relation to business.  The consumers are not the listeners but the advertisers.  The listeners are the product in which they sell.  From a business stand point, the ratings do not matter if no one is buying the product.  They also don't matter if the ratings stink and someone is paying for it either directly or indirectly.

          Do you know how much money was spent in the 2012 election cycle by politicians?  Where was that money spent?  Politicians have become huge customers of advertising.  Do you think that may have something to do with the both sides do it meme on the news?  What would have happened if the media would have destroyed Mitt Romney's campaign right after he won the primary.  How many advertising dollars from either side would any of the networks gotten if it was a one horse race?  We are talking about billions of dollars here.

          Do you think Disney would sacrifice advertising revenue to strengthen their business model elsewhere in their corporation?  Do you think GE would plant or shelve a story for the defense department in exchange for additional or continued defense contracts?  Like you pointed out, corporations are amoral and only think of what is best for their company but also many of the CEOs are amoral as well and only think of what is good for themselves.  Our news is scripted by the people who pay for it and benefit from it pure and simple.  It is not CT but rather like the movie mafia used to say, "It's just business".

          "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

          by Buckeye Nut Schell on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 05:42:21 AM PDT

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