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  •  This is why I don't hold the teabagger's belief (4+ / 0-)

    that the military will save them if they try to overthrow the government.  It is the job of the military to protect the government of enemies foreign and domestic, and it's the job of the police to enforce state laws.  We actually do not want either group deciding for themselves which laws they want to enforce, even if they sometimes fail at that.

    It is our job to change the laws by making sure the right people are in office, or challenging the laws in court to find them unconstitutional.

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 09:19:18 PM PDT

    •  The difference is of course that the police and (5+ / 0-)

      military by and large instinctively align themselves with conservatives. The folks in Madison two years ago thought for sure that the police would sympathize with them. They did not.

      Also when was the last time you read about cops rousting a conservative gathering? No matter how rowdy?

      If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell. General Phil Sheridan USA

      by shigeru on Thu Jul 25, 2013 at 09:24:46 PM PDT

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      •  A bit of education about "The Madison Police". (17+ / 0-)

        Madison is a city.  It covers lots of square miles.  Because it's where the state capitol is, a very tiny subset of that area consists of state-jurisdiction land rather than city-jurisdiction land.

        The police that did this are NOT the Madison Police.

        They are the CAPITOL Police.  It's a very limited force that has nothing to do with the city itself.  The city government has no say in what they do, and the county government has no say in what they do.  They are entirely under the administration of the state's Executive branch - meaning Scott Walker.  The Capitol Police ONLY has jurisdiction over the state properties within the city center, like the capitol building itself, the Capitol lawn outside the building,  and a few state office buildings nearby.

        The Madison Police, the city police force, have nothing to do with this.  Also, the county Madison is in, Dane County, has a police force too of course, and they also had nothing to do with this.

        It's important to make the distinction when you start throwing around accusations that the folks in Madison were naive to think the police were with them.  The police that were marching with us WERE with us - but they were different police than the ones you're seeing here.   They were mostly the Madison city police and the Dane County Sherrif's department.  And they haven't turned against us.

        Only the Capitol Police have.  And largely that's because one man, the chief, left the post before he could be ordered to do any more stupid things:

        •  Actually, the Capitol Police have a fairly (2+ / 0-)
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        •  Thank you, Steve. What you say is the truth, (8+ / 0-)

          and I hope I did not give the impression of a blanket indictment of policemen. My intention was to focus on the ones in the rotunda. The Capitol Police are under Erwin, who is under Walker. They are entirely the expression of who Walker is.

          The previous Capitol Police Chief, Tubbs, was a fine man and handled the massive demonstrations with grace and sensitivity. Walker got rid of him. The city police have nothing to do with the rotunda.

        •  We have the same setup (6+ / 0-)

          in NC.  The State Capitol Police are under the Dept of Public Safety -- a state agency that also contains the State Highway Patrol and (I think) the SBI.  The SCP has jurisdiction over the capitol and the state house (where most of the action is) but there aren't enough of them to arrest everybody, so they also get support from the Raleigh PD and maybe the Wake Co Sheriff's Dept. (I think they drive the buses that cart the protesters off to jail.)

          Word I get from a friend who's more actively involved in Moral Monday than I am is that the SCP Chief would really rather NOT arrest the protesters.  I'm not sure of his motivation for that; could be he sympathizes (because being a state employee, the protesters are actually defending HIS interests as well) or it could be that he feels like arresting people just draws more attention to the movement (he's right) which is what they WANT (he's right again) and therefore counterproductive for the ruling class (a trifecta of right).  As for the individual officers, I feel like their attitudes are probably varied.  Some of them no doubt relish the job, some of them probably feel like it's a "shit detail" and some of them probably hate the idea of cuffing people who are peacefully voicing their dissent.

          It will get worse before it gets better, I fear.  But just because a thing is hard, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 06:30:13 AM PDT

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        •  I appreciate the information but my opinion (1+ / 0-)
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          stands, as various situations have shown time and time and time again the police and military do not merely enforce laws by selectively enforce them. And in most cases even lobby for the more repressive laws. In fact the police are much more likely to enforce laws against "lefties" than against right wing paramilitary. I can go on and on with examples from the earliest days of the 20th Century, through the Boston and Chicago police riots in the sixties, through the scandalous treatment of the Occupy group in recent times, to the Madison and NC examples.

          Police can and do perform good and necessary services. However, in my experience the police have almost always chosen to support not only the status quo, but the most right wing interpretations thereof.

          Good luck to you and thanks for your efforts.

          If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell. General Phil Sheridan USA

          by shigeru on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:08:37 AM PDT

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            "Your information shows that I'm wrong but I won't change my opinion anyway."

            Your error starts with using the phrase "the police" as if that was one grand unified organization that all acts the same, when there's lots and lots of different police organizations that don't control each other, such that what one does shouldn't tarnish the rest.

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