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  •  I carry a concealed weapon (14+ / 0-)

    So since you called me a "blatant coward" may I call you something too.  I don't think I will since I know nothing of you except your shrill rant profiling a whole subset of the population.
    I read Kos to find the sort of reasoned  debate not to found on the far right.  Sadly your brand of name calling serves no real purpose.  I am a post middle age male and I live in a large city.
    I don't hunt.  I never want to use a gun for self defense, but I am not a victim.  If I am offered violence I will respond in kind.  That is not just  constitutional right but a human right.

    •  The thing is (3+ / 0-)
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      By you carrying a concealed weapon around other people who don't know you have it, you are taking away the freedom of others to decide for themselves whether they trust you with the gun and to be able to see where it's pointing.

      So, basically, you are saying that your right to self-defense is more important than the right of others to know what the dangers are around them. They have no right to defend themselves by leaving your area, or at least be able to get out of the line of fire.

      Is that fair? Would you want someone else to take that right away from you?

      You can keep the gun. It would just be nice for everyone else to know you have it.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 07:23:17 PM PDT

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      •  By the way, I'm sure you run a constant.... (5+ / 0-)

        daily monologue of your personal actions and intentions so that "others (can) decide for themselves whether they trust you" as you go about the world, yes?

        Otherwise, you are " taking away (their) freedom" to choose, right?

        Your hate-mail will be graded.

        by PavePusher on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 10:41:18 AM PDT

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        •  Not a monologe, but in my actions (0+ / 0-)

          I try to drive safely, for instance. I don't tailgate, or run red lights, or drive aggressively, because I respect the right of others to not be put in danger by my actions.

          I don't start fights, and avoid them.

          Giving others a chance to see what you are up to is just common courtesy.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 12:15:48 PM PDT

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      •  That's dumbass bullshit. (4+ / 0-)
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        It's called representative government.

        You, in collective action with the people of your region, pick a person.
        That person, with counterparts in other districts, makes choices that apply to everyone.

        Such as, the people that the collective YOU put in office made the choice as to what were appropriate societal demands to place upon a person using the rights that have been specifically recognized.

        Since those people in office are, by extension, exercising the power that YOU placed in their hands; it is essentially YOU that chose to trust the entire population of concealed carriers to act responsibly.

        Don't like the choices made by the person that the collective YOU put in office? Then make your disagreement known. It's called right to speech, so go ahead and use it just like others are using their right to keep. Got a grievance, make use of the right to petition for redress just like others are making use of the right to bear.

        If you really MUST know who is carrying a gun, then I'll point you toward the issue of allowing Open Carry. I suggest you start with texas - they don't allow it there.

        Counterintuitive isn't it, to think that pushing for looser gun restrictions would serve your desire to know who had a gun?

        Now get yourself a song to sing, and sing it till you're done.

        by JayFromPA on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 11:57:01 AM PDT

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        •  By commenting here about conceal carry (0+ / 0-)

          I am speaking up. I don't vote for those that promote it.

          Conceal carry is not a restriction, IMHO. It helps those who want to hide that they have a gun, not those around them.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 12:17:28 PM PDT

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    •  So how many times in your 60 years (1+ / 0-)
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      have you been in a situation that would merit the use of a gun.

      Just wondering since you didn't mention any, or say that your conversion came about after an incident.

      If the answer is zero - then maybe you are afraid of shadows.

      •  Twice (2+ / 0-)
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        theatre goon, KVoimakas

        and both time I believe It saved my life.  On both occasions the pistol defused a situation and made bad guys make good choices.  On both occasions I would have been justified both morally  and legally in shooting, but I gave them the chance to live and I hope they came away from their encounters a little less happy with their chosen profession, that being robbery.

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