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  •  Top two is a great development for progressives (3+ / 0-)
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    Minnesota Mike, codairem, SuetheRedWA

    and for getting rid of corrupt/entrenched/unresponsive incumbents of either party in safe districts.

    Flukes occur in the standard system too, so its pointless to complain about it happening with top two also.

    I'll take one Gary Miller over one Paul LaPage any day.

    Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

    by tommypaine on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 12:22:15 PM PDT

    •  Well, The First Trial Run (0+ / 0-)

      in a number of state-wide and U.S. rep races, I saw the progressive make a big run and ask for money (i.e. Norman Solomon and Tori Osborne) but when the dust settled, they didn't make the top two.  We could say well progressives didn't turn out but a low cost grassroots campaign vs. big campaign money makes it exceptionally difficult in a primary that always will have lower turnout.  Only in a truly progressive assembly district such as mine where we had Abel Guillen against Bonta and Guillen did come close-- but that was the exception as most of the state is not like Oakland and Berkeley.  We could say that we need better turnout at primaries and that may solve the problem but for now, I'm deeply skeptical.  Yes, Pete Stark should have retired last year and his incumbency did get challenged and he lost, but seeing Mike Honda being challenged next year from the center/right makes me deeply skeptical, and makes me glad I voted against "top two."  I thought it was a bad ideal then and so far, I haven't seen that much that makes me optimistic except a progressive I know and admired come close to the general election while two others got drowned out due to big money and never had the chance one would hope with "top two."  Unless, you're in an Oakland and Berkeley, do not expect a chance for a more progressive candidate or a younger progressive candidate taking out the entrenched incumbency.

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