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  •  To ask is to answer (4+ / 0-)
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    codairem, freelunch, pixxer, Chas 981

    George Washington was right.  Factions are bad for democracy.  Reducing governance to a team sport is bad for democracy.  Parties should be eliminated, and party-based positions in state/federal legislatures eliminated (Ranking Republican Member of X___, etc.).  

    But good luck convincing the party-based political power system to do that.

    •  You do realize... (1+ / 0-)
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      Marcus Graly

      Washington generally sided with the Federalists (even if he wasn't formally a member). Washington also had a view of the presidency that it really wasn't supposed to try to influence congress at all, and only veto bills that are blatantly unconstitutional, rather than take any active role in governance.

      Factions are an inevitable part of any democracy, and that's a good thing, people have legitimate disagreements with each other and a stake in getting legislation passed that advances their own policy goals (and that others want to stop).

      To put this another way, can you name me any democracy that doesn't have formal political parties?

      Politics and more Formerly DGM on SSP. NM-01, 27 (chairman of the Atheist Caucus)

      by NMLib on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 04:14:49 PM PDT

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      •  Political Parties (0+ / 0-)

        "To put this another way, can you name me any democracy that doesn't have formal political parties?"

        Exactly. Well put, NMLib.

        The only ones that don’t have formal political parties? I can’t think of any. The ones with the weakest parties are generally the least democratic. When you don’t have political parties, power falls to other institutions, like churches/mosques, tribes/tribal groupings, city-states, militias, and a ton of other organizations that we probably don’t want running the government.

        The problem in America isn’t that we have 2 political parties, it’s that we only have 2 political parties, effectively.

        Yeah, sure, we have 3rd parties, but our system is effectively a 2-party system and always will be. It would be much more representative if there were 4 or 5 major parties. Sigh. If only.

        Kansan by birth, Californian by choice and Gay by the Grace of God.

        by arealmc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:17:21 PM PDT

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