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  •  yes (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    but they could apply "user fees"

    to gain an income stream,

    from all the suburbia residents who value these assets,

    and from the tourists too.

    •  So, you propose that the city (0+ / 0-)

      make it less attractive for people to come into the city to spend money by saying, for example, if you go to a casino in city limits, you'll pay a user fee, but if you go to one outside of city limits, you won't?  Why would the people from the suburbs and other places (tourists) come to casinos in Detroit if they know that it costs more than casinos outside of Detroit?  

      More importantly -- how much money do you think that will raise?

      •  because (2+ / 0-)
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        peregrine kate, JeffW

        most of suburbans -- once lived in Detroit,

        but left for "greener" pastures.


        Their en-mass flight is a big part of Detroit's current problems,
        with a shrinking Tax Base.  (it was called "White Flight" as I recall.)


        If a suburbanite wants to go downtown, with some measure of security,

        to enjoy the pastime of Tigers, Lions, or Wings,

        or have a carefree Casino evening,

        -- yes, I'm saying they should "contribute" to the town,

        that they still avidly root for.

        •  I think everyone agrees that this was (3+ / 0-)
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          jamess, FG, JeffW

          part of the problem:  

          Their en-mass flight is a big part of Detroit's current problems,with a shrinking Tax Base.
          Which is why the goal should be to bring people back to the city, not provide more incentives for people to leave the city, or to stay away if they are already gone.  

          Perhaps if you increased taxes on tickets to the sports games a bit, you would not hurt attendance, since they are pretty much monopolies in that area.  But again, how much money would that raise?  I think you are talking about insignificant amounts in terms of the amount of Detroit's liabilities.

          When you are talking about almost everything else, like casinos, where people can get the exact same commodity for less outside of the city limits, no one with a brain is going to want to go into Detroit where they get the exact same thing but it costs more money.  Charging someone a fee for the "privilege" of coming into the city is only going to encourage more people to stay away from the city.

          What you are talking about would only increase flight away from Detroit, when Detroit needs to be continuing its efforts to attract people and capital back to the city.

          •  so (1+ / 0-)
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            JeffW

            what are your "solutions" coffeetalk?


            I think they've already tried "low-tax enterprise zones"

            for new businesses, within City Limits.


            that helped but not enough.

            •  That's the problem. Detroit is in a hole, (1+ / 0-)
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              jamess

              and it seems to me that bankruptcy is the only realistic way out.  Other municipalities, faced with the same situation, have gone through bankruptcy; Detroit is not the first and won't be the last -- other cities, and states, have the same issue, perhaps on a less drastic scale, with future pension and health care liabilities.  Bankruptcy is always a bad situation, but I don't see any realistic alternative.    

              Proposing something that will provide an incentive for people (and their money) to stay away from the city is no solution -- it would likely make things worse.  After Detroit goes through a bankruptcy, it needs to go back to a focus of making the city attractive for people and for capital investment.  

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