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  •  Tell that to this young man's family. (2+ / 0-)
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    Kwik, Terri

    How about rather than "moving on", actions are taken to try to prevent something like this from happening again?

    You really are one hard hearted sob, aren't you?  A young man is dead, people are anguished over both his death and how it happened, and your reaction is, it's over, it's done with, move on.  Truly, there are not words sufficient for me to convey the total depths of contempt I feel for you and anyone like you.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:47:36 AM PDT

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    •  I feel the same as you gustynpip. (1+ / 0-)
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      Terri

      Well said.

    •  a man is dead, a sentence was levied. (0+ / 0-)

      the jury didn't see this as murder,
      the jury saw it as stupidity.

      from what i saw of the video it was stupidity.

      Criminal stupidity.

      and the case was laid that way.

      to be murder someone must intend with a depraved heart
      to kill someone.

      to be criminally reckless, you just have to do something stupid enough that someone dies and you get Manslaughter 2.

      if a police officer is speeding down the road, loses control
      and hits and kills a pedestrian, that's manslaughter.

      if they drop a gun and it discharges and kills someone it's manslaughter.

      http://www.youtube.com/...

      now watch the stupid idiot above. He's a federal cop,
      sure it's unloaded and has an accidental discharge in
      a classroom.  if the bullet had killed someone it would be
      manslaughter.

      •  Under California Law It Was Manslaugter. (2+ / 0-)
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        Terri, Yasuragi

        Legal Definition of Voluntary Manslaughter in California:
        When you intentionally kill another person (without a legal excuse for doing so), or act with a conscious disregard for human life, you either violate California's murder law or California's voluntary manslaughter law. The difference between the two is whether you acted with "malice aforethought."  Malice aforethought exists when you act with (a) an intent to kill or (b) a wanton disregard for human life.

        IMO, at the very least the cop who shot Oscar Grant acted recklessly & without regard for human life--problem is many cops do not see black life as human life.

        •  his testimony, which i found credible was (0+ / 0-)

          he accidentally drew the wrong weapon.

          I can see that.

          He was getting ready to tase Oscar Grant, and drew the wrong damn thing.

          Putting two pistol grip weapons on the same leg with the same motion, is just aching for operator error.

          How many people step on the gas when they mean to hit the brake and drive into things when parking?

          Unless you think he made up his spontaneous cries of "Oh, God" and he in cold blood decided to shoot somebody in front of dozens of witnesses,  it would be an accidental death,
          which the Jury also saw it as.

          •  U find his testimony credible. I don't. (2+ / 0-)
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            JoanMar, Yasuragi

            I believe he got caught up in the moment, drew a weapon when he didn't need to and shot a man laying face down in the back, which by my way of thinking fits the charge of acting with conscious disregard for human life.  If he had any regard for Grant's life, he never would've allowed himself to act so recklessly after already having the man in such a vulnerable position. Do you not think he could've acted out of fear and hate, shot Grant on purpose and then after the fact realized what he'd done and then said: "Oh God." The jury got it wrong and so do you. Time for people stop making excuses for those who wrongly execute our fellow citizens in name of law and order.  Generally speaking--not saying this is true for you--for all too many black and brown lives don't count.  These types of "accidents" happen all to often to them at hands of white cops who benefit from white-dominated criminal justice system.

            •  You think cops have a color other then Blue? (0+ / 0-)

              they put on that uniform, they aren't white, black, brown, yellow.

              They are Blue. They bleed blue and they see blue.

              A black cop will kick ass on poor black kids just as hard or harder as any white cop.

              There are brutal cops, and there are stupid cops,
              but, you see it in their jackets. Lots of beefs, lots of job changes and lots of partner changes.

              Mehsale didn't have those.

              You are welcome to argue with the jury, why don't you hunt them down and waterboard them?

              •  Cops see blue, bleed blue? Hyperbolic nonsense. (1+ / 0-)
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                Yasuragi

                Cops are human beings. They can mess up and they most certainly see race and yes race affects how they react to situations and treat people. And all too often, they see black people as the enemy, without any humanity as is evidenced by all the blacks who have have systematically been the victims of more police "accidents" and "misjudgments" resulting in death--much like Oscar Grant.  Police racial profiling is the justifiable norm to people like you who act as apologists for their racist actions under the guise of "they bleed blue and they see blue."  That's just euphemistic language for it's ok for police to look at a black or brown person as a suspect, can even in some cases, shoot them because "Oh it looked like he went for his..waist band, I thought maybe he had a gun." That's what  Johannes Mehserle did that resulted in yet another death of an innocent black man at the hands of an overzealous cop.  We're sick of that.  You need to stop trying to defend Mehserle for shooting dead an innocent man and this judge/jury for letting him off too easily. Eleven months was not enough.

                •  calling me a racist (0+ / 0-)

                  is not winning me over.

                  people like you who act as apologists for their racist actions
                  •  Not trying to win you over or calling U racist. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Yasuragi

                    All I'm doing is showing you how wrong you are about the cop getting justice in this case. Just like you were wrong about the jury composition not mattering or jury not having anything to do with the punishment for the shooter.  You're just way off on this.  Did you hear about the guy who cops just shot in his own drive way here in Florida recently? Another unarmed black guy? Shot because cops thought he was up to no good in his own driveway. If these twerps could shoot, this dude would be dead.

                    Here's synopsis:

                    Smoking almost killed Roy Middleton when he was allegedly fired upon by police as he searched for a loose cigarette in a car parked in his own driveway in Warrington, Fla. Apparently, someone had seen him rooting around in his mother's vehicle and, thinking he was a thief, called the cops. Middleton, 60, said he was bent over in the car when Escambia County deputies told him to "get your hands where I can see them." Middleton alleges he slowly backed away from the vehicle but police unloaded the moment he turned around.

                    "It was like a firing squad," he told the Pensacola News Journal. "Bullets were flying everywhere." Middleton was shot in the leg and described his mom's car as "full of bullet holes."

                    The Escambia County Sheriffs Office declined to comment on Saturday's incident.

                    While the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is investigating the matter, the deputies, who have not been publicly identified, have been put on paid administrative leave.

                    •  i heard about that (0+ / 0-)

                      sounds like bad police work.

                      first if they shoot, they should be shooting to kill.
                      sending bullets everywhere is a sign of terrible training.

                      second, they took a poor tactical approach, if the guy is rooting around in a car,i'ts unlikely he's going to be
                      able to shoot at you.

                      now, from what i saw, his son lives there who has a record
                      as a drug dealer and previous shootings, so the police
                      may have been expecting the son, and were ready on hair triggers.

                      but, bad police work can just be bad police work.

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