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  •  Your comment is a rhetorical pass the buck. (10+ / 0-)

    You offer no solutions. You're just the cranky old man on the porch complaining about the gubment.

    Back when the netroots was truly influential (I don't know about anymore) we did all the opposition research. We were the ones we were waiting for. We didn't have Obama, or even a branch or chamber in our favor.

    Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change -- George Monbiot.

    by Nulwee on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:17:57 AM PDT

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    •  First of all, I am not a "cranky old man"... (29+ / 0-)

      ...interesting how you jumped to that 100% inaccurate conclusion.

      Obama is THE influential politician in a city (D.C) that is wholly unpopular. He has enjoyed approval ratings near 50% for nearly his entire presidency while congress has been somewhere in the low teens. If this public policy problem is to be addressed, we MUST have our chief party representative leading the charge.

      And with all due respect, if he is unwilling to engage on this issue politically in a meaningful fashion (as he did when the House was about to begin to put the brakes on his domestic spying), then he just doesn't fucking want to. He has no more elections to win...nothing more to lose.

      Instead of making excuses, perhaps you should get fighting to the increase minimum wage (or how about this...A LIVING WAGE?) instead of falsely calling critics "cranky old men"?

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:23:26 AM PDT

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      •  Look up the word metaphor (9+ / 0-)

        It's a better use of your time than yelling at PBO to get off your lawn.

        •  Deflecting again...please proceed, Quicklund. (3+ / 0-)
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          Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

          by Love Me Slender on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 10:28:51 AM PDT

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          •  Its that Quicklund's forte, after all. (1+ / 0-)
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            Deflecting again....

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            by divineorder on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 11:02:27 AM PDT

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          •  You want solutions? Some easy ones for Obama (7+ / 0-)

            include: Prosecute Wall Street criminals. Force the financial regulators to regulate. Appoint people who understand and are willing to take on the problem. Admit that HAMP was always intended to benefit the banks. Admit that the 50 state mortgage settlement was a give away and get of jail free card to the banks. Admit that ACA was written for the benefit of private insurance companies and that the best option in terms of health care and cost, Medicare for all, was something he lobbied against.

            It has become obvious to everyone that Obama has spent 5 years ignoring the economic plight of the vast majority in this country. When he speaks to these issues, such as the destructiveness if income inequality, he has absolutely no credibility. There is much, much that Obama controls and could have done by now or still could do. He won't.

            After watching Obama for years I would say this is just another in a long line or Obama speeches intended to convey that he "feels your pain" by acknowledging the obvious. What is also obvious is, as Chris Dodd famously said, the Banks own Washington and they own Obama. He is still chasing his grand bargain, working to fulfill Pete Peterson's dreams with more budget cuts and chained CPI. In virtually every instance as presient Obama has gone opposite what is best economically for the vast majority and chosen instead to serve the rich. In short, for Obama to offer any real solutions he will have to confront that he has been wrong on virtually every economic front.

            Taking on these economic problems requires a big man, someone who not only understand the scale of the problems and the stakes for the country, but someone who is willing to fight to correct the. Teddy Roosevelt was willing to fight to bust the trusts, FDR was willing to "welcome their hatred" to help those with the least. Not only is Obama not a fighter, Obama is not a big enough man to own up to the scale of his misjudgments and mistakes. The rich have benefited tremendously under Obama, by design. Too big to fail banks are even bigger under Obama, by design. And unless Obama starts using what he personally as president controls to confront the problems and the vested interests his words are not just meaningless, but they but another round of self-serving statements designed to temper outrage by admitting the obvious, deflect from having any personal responsibility for the problems, and at the same time continue down the same path.

      •  Are You A Mimic? (0+ / 0-)

        It's just that you sounded like a cranky old man in the comment referred to.

        What in the H do polling results measuring popularity have to do with passing laws when the opposition is determined to stop you?

        Do not bring up when the Democrats supposedly held a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. There were 59 Democrats, and Joe Lieberman, who was quite bitter over getting primaried by the Democrats in 2008.

        I have issues with the President's stand on some issues, but not total condemnation, considering the alternatives available at the time of the elections in 2008 and 2012.

        If anyone is a real cranky old man, that would be me, since I'm 71 yo.

         

        "Somehow, one of our nation’s two great parties has become infected by an almost pathological meanspiritedness..." -Paul Krugman

        by paz3 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 12:44:34 PM PDT

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    •  it is not our job to offer solutions (25+ / 0-)

      but we can, we really can and they have been repeated ad infinitum.  so i won't repeat them here.

      in fact, there is a solution in the post below: use the bully pulpit, twist some arms.

      i, too, am not moved by obama's words.  too many words, too little action.  he describes the foundation of the middle class being a secure retirement and simultaneously wants to cut ssi when it should be increased.  

      one of obama's most lasting legacies with the young is that they will no longer believe that what a politician says might have the least to do with how he governs.

      personally, i wouldn't care if he won a single battle if he put up a good fight.  but in reality, what he wants to fight for is the opposite of what i want done.  and even that is fine, had he been upfront about it from the get go.

      summers for federal reserve.  sheesh.  

    •  Your comments aren't going to work (16+ / 0-)

      The economy continues to be bad, American voters are really, really tired of it and they're smart enough to know Obama has some ability to change that.

      Instead of attacking fellow Dems, let's find a way to convince Obama to do all he can to fix the problem.

      "The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul." Helen Thomas

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:06:54 AM PDT

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    •  Horse shit. (24+ / 0-)

      Even with the bold type, you still claim:

      You offer no solutions. You're just the cranky old man on the porch complaining about the gubment.
      Here it is again, since your knee-jerk reaction was to launch an attack on the Obama critic instead of addressing the criticism:
      How about lighting a fire under those lawmakers who saved your ass on the NSA amendment and getting some legislation moving through congress?
      Here's a specific one for you: How about making sure Democrats are seen as the protectors of Social Security by not advocating cuts in Social Security?

      Here's another one: How about advocating popular polices like higher taxes on the rich so that Democrats can kick Republican ass in the next elections instead of advocating Republican policies like chained CPI?

      Here's another one: How about Obama stop advocating policies that would, in his own words, put him in the mainstream if the 1980s Republican Party—the very policies that started the growth of the income gap that Obama whines about now?

      And how about you personally stop being sucked in by Obama's charming line of bullshit?

      Barack Obama: From Nobel Laureate to excusing torture, to drone strikes, to violating the privacy of every person on earth. On the other hand, there's always Lily Ledbetter.

      by expatjourno on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:10:06 AM PDT

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    •  We're still doing the opposition research (31+ / 0-)

      Unfortunately the opposition being researched includes leaders of both parties.

      This is Obama's M.O.:  he gives a pretty-sounding speech about something that makes him sound like a progressive, acknowledging big problems in society, and promises to work on fixing it.  Then he drops the subject and does pretty much the opposite of what he talks about.  We've been watching him do it since 2008, and it never changes.  A few bones get thrown to the base on issues that have little or nothing to do with changing the economic power structure, when those bones have to be thrown.  It's really no different than what Republicans do, except they are more dedicated both to their economic masters and they're more willing to toss social-issues bones to their base.

      I'm sure naming Larry Freaking Summers to head the Fed will do wonders for income inequality.  How about tossing banksters in jail and breaking up the big banks?  How about joining the call to increase the minimum wage to a living wage, and supporting state efforts to put initiatives on the ballot?  How about supporting union rights, and speaking out against robbing Detroit retirees of their pensions so they can build a new hockey stadium?  How about telling Max Baucus to knock off his efforts to secretly give away corporate tax breaks?  How about stopping the "free trade" expansion that's driving our labor markets down to third-world standards?

      I can't even bear to listen to this man's speeches anymore.  They raise my blood pressure as much as George Bush's used to.  And that's not my fault, except to the extent that I'm paying attention to what's going on.

      We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

      by Dallasdoc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:34:13 AM PDT

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      •  The President has done more to advance Progressive (0+ / 0-)

        causes than you who derive delight in typing vilifying comments about him on a daily basis.

        I wonder, just exactly what have this small anti-Obama corner of Daily Kos done for average people in the five years since you have been typing condescending words at Obama? Is there any resulting policy solution to your politics here beyond Obama is bad?

        And by the way, while I'm at this, is there any politician that you wholeheartedly support, today in circa 2013, who has done more for everyday average people than this President?

        I won't hold my breath for time after time if there's one thing that has been abundantly clear from reading the small coterie of anti-Obama posters, it is the fact that they are always against Obama, that is clear, but what have they done to implement policy that impacts the lives of the vast majority of people in this country?

        Many of you love to criticize OFA, but at least OFA organize and get behind policy and push to make legislation, but what have the anti-Obama faction done in the last five years beyond showing how much you all despised the President? And, according to some of you, despise him more than Bush.

        •  He's the freaking president (14+ / 0-)

          Of course he's done more to advance progressive causes than we have, damn little that he's done.  It's his job.  He's also done a lot more to advance corporatist causes, starting with Wall Street's.  His free trade policy is the opposite of progressive, and his health care triumph is a big fat giveaway to inefficient and corrosive private health insurers.  

          Comparing a president's accomplishments to voters' is nonsense.  Comparing a president's accomplishments and failures to what could have been is a much more pertinent activity, but OFA fans aren't so pleased with his report card when that's done.

          We all got behind the public option -- what good did that do us, since the president had already sold us out while making faint noises of support?  We all scream about chained-CPI, but he keeps bringing it up.  Many of us are outraged about NSA overreaches the president supports and permits, but we're given un-American bullshit from those defending it.  OFA is despised because it supports the president's conservative policies, not just progressive ones.

          We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

          by Dallasdoc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:50:45 AM PDT

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          •  So? No one is stopping you from running, right? (0+ / 0-)

            You can get up and say oh he's the President. Well, yeah, Have you ever gotten up beyond the confines of your computer which you use to type criticisms at this man day after day after day and ran for public office?

            You are one of those individuals who cosigned a comment which spoke of despising this President more than Bush. And you are talking about progressive policies?? Give me a break.

            And in terms of OFA, they are doing far more than getting online and throwing invectives at this  man. You don't have to even run for public office, they have mobilized behind policy and gotten legislation passed, and what have you done again?

            •  <Eyeroll> (8+ / 0-)

              So if I don't run for office I can't criticize?  Really, you guys are reduced to pulling that old chestnut out of storage?

              You have no idea what I do besides this blog, so don't make any assumptions.  OFA is a tool for the president's policies, and the president's policies need opposing as well as supporting.  OFA doesn't make that distinction, does it?  Have you ever heard of the veal pen?  Look it up.

              We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

              by Dallasdoc on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 10:32:59 AM PDT

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              •  Your eyeroll has no significance, the crticism (0+ / 0-)

                coming from you and your cohorts have been personal in terms of this President foe some time now, where many of you have called the President a "sellout" and even "evil" so yes, if it is personal, the question is, what have you done to better the lives of the people in your community that could even compare to this man.

                And I will say this, when looking at this President, who has passed a healthcare law that millions are already benefiting from, has allowed women to receive contraceptive care, who has allowed millions of people the opportunity to attend college, due to the expanding of the Pell Grant program, and has raised fuel efficiency standards in vehicles, which helps the environment, it is incomprehensible for anyone to say they despise him more than George W. Bush and then claim that they are Democrats, let alone Progressives....  

                Go ahead and roll your eyes now.....

        •  Well I should hope he's done more than I have (3+ / 0-)
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          He's only the most powerful person on the planet.

          But why should I expect too much of him, eh? After all, I didn't rein in those banks - why should I expect him to?

          We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

          by denise b on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 03:08:34 PM PDT

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        •  None of the "progressive causes" he has (1+ / 0-)
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          advanced have done crap to address the severe economic issues of this nation.

          Hell, even George W. Bush mailed taxpayers money to every last household in the USA.  That was a hell of a lot more economic stimulus than Obama has done.  All of his efforts have been directed toward funneling public money to Wall Streeters who are already rich.

          So he advanced a couple civil rights issues, but you know what?  You cannot eat those? They don't put a roof over your head.  A lousy economy -- full of money -- but all being directed to the already rich does nothing to help civil rights.  Hard to enjoy them while you're starving or homeless or being foreclosed upon.

          While at it: Foreclosures. He didn't even appoint people to manage his weak foreclosure program who supported the program.  Piles of money lie in government hands (or the banks') years after beginning the program.  Yet homeowners continue to be cheating by dishonest banks and he does nothing to push even that weak program into higher gear.

          It's really an appalling economic record. He hasn't even used the tools he has very well (or at all), let alone pushing for more and better tools.

          All he can do is keep saying, "It will be a long recovery."  Sure as hell will, Mr. President, since you are such little help!

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:03:47 PM PDT

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        "can't bear to listen to this man's speeches anymore"

        Same here.  I have seen begging on every corner on a 1.5 mile stretch of road that gets to the highway in the city I work in which supposedly has some of the lowest unemployment in the country.  I saw the begging in the south american 3rd world country I was in a month ago and the couple of other times I  have been to these different countries in the past couple years.  In Japan in two different cities for about 3 weeks ... never saw even one person begging or panhandling for food or money.  But apparently I have no idea what my lying eyes are telling me and am just a BO basher because I have nothing better to do.  

        Income inequality:
        http://billmoyers.com/...

        $300 billion trade deficit with China in 2012.  "Shatters record".... it wasn't mentioned that it was the largest trade deficit that 1 nation had with another in all of history:
        http://americanmanufacturing.org/...

        "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

        by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32:50 PM PDT

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