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  •  What was the downside of using passage (6+ / 0-)

    of Amash/Conyers to jumpstart the privacy vs. security debate, since this "flawed" amendment was doomed in the Senate anyway...

    if Mr. Obama were serious about having a genuine debate at all?

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 09:24:13 AM PDT

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    •  Ask the people who voted against it. (2+ / 0-)
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      Reggid, Tony Situ

      I'm not inside the heads of individual Congressmen. I don't know what particulars they disliked about that bill, or like better about this proposal.

      I'm just saying, while you look at a bill as just "jumpstaring a debate," the people actually charged with designing and passing legislation look at what is actually in the bill and rate it as policy. Their actions aren't just about lining up on a "pro-" and "anti-" side on a philosophical debate.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 09:29:57 AM PDT

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    •  Because it wasn't a starting point (0+ / 0-)

      How is effectively causing the immediate end to the entire phone metadata collection program a "starting point"?

      •  Why do you want to protect the spying (1+ / 0-)
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        TheMomCat

        so badly?  We got along for a long time without our info being snooped.  We can do it again?

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 12:21:14 PM PDT

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