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  •  People with good educations are working (0+ / 0-)

    at McDonalds if they're working at all. Lack of education isn't the reason people don't have real jobs. If they had the education there wouldn't be any jobs for them to get. Ask a college graduate these days.

    Furthermore, we can't all be white collar post graduate workers. Somebody has to do the shit work. The point of this strike is that the shit work should at least allow a person to feed, house, and clothe themselves.

    •  That's why it's called "shit work". (0+ / 0-)

      The unskilled nature of the work does not warrant higher wages.   It's that old "invisible hand", baby.   Those types of jobs will never warrant a living wage, and it makes no sense to create an artificial value for that work when the market says it can be done for minimum wage.  

      To artificially jack up the minimum wage is to just transfer the "dole" to private companies.  Subsidize housing, provide SNAP, but don't expect to solve the world's ills by compelling the overpaying of burger flippers.    That's not how it has ever worked.  

      The patellar reflex is a deep tendon reflex which allows one to keep one's balance with little effort or conscious thought.

      by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 02:50:36 PM PDT

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      •  Why not pay people nothing? (0+ / 0-)

        Why not just make the government pay all their expenses and in return make them work for private busines for nothing? Invisible hand!

        The hand isn't invisible. The market is not a diety. These are very clear and unmistakable hands of the actions of powerful men.

        Sorry, but we just have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of work and its value. As far as I'm concerned, if you work, you shouldn't starve, be homeless, or have sicknesses go untreated. I don't care how low you are. I don't want to live in a medieval feudal society of kings, nobles and peasants.

        When I say shit work, I don't mean that these people are shit and therefore they deserve to get screwed. I mean that the jobs offer no opportunity for advancement, prestige, or the accumulation of great wealth. But my God...a person should be able to earn enough even in a shit job to take care of the basic necessities of life.

        Currently, these shit jobs require a massive subsidy from the taxpayers in the form of various kinds of assistance. That's the only things that keep these jobs barely tolerable in a humane society. You seem to like this kind of thing. I, for one, think that if you employ a person you should pay them enough money to be able to sustain themselves at minimum. But I also realize there are people like you...which is why we have a minimum wage.

        •  Those jobs are not meant to be careers. (0+ / 0-)

          The nature of the work does not warrant more than minimum wage.  That's just reality.  

          "You seem to like this kind of thing" and "people like me", eh?   I expected better from you.  

          Currently, these shit jobs require a massive subsidy from the taxpayers in the form of various kinds of assistance
          It's not the jobs that require the subsidy.  We do have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of work.  Let's leave it at that.  

          The patellar reflex is a deep tendon reflex which allows one to keep one's balance with little effort or conscious thought.

          by SpamNunn on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 05:28:03 AM PDT

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          •  Who said anything about a career? (0+ / 0-)

            What I said was that a job shouldn't starve you or make you dependent on the government. If you work, you should be able to take care of the basic necessities. That was Henry Ford's philosophy and I share it. The only time anyone should depend on government or charity is if they are out of work or sick. Anyone who works any kind of job, period, should earn enough money to sustain themselves.

            It's not the jobs that require the subsidy.
            You're splitting hairs. The reason they need the assistance is because the jobs don't pay enough money for them to live and eat.

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