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  •  Voter Fraud - not in person voting though (1+ / 0-)
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    There has been fraud - but was in absentee ballots.


    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:51:00 AM PDT

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    •  Here are some quotes about the Voter Fraud in NC (3+ / 0-)
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      MaryKane, bear83, quiet in NC

      Please note - absentee ballots.

      Officials say more than 20 absentee ballots were mailed from a Knightdale mayoral candidates' business, which prompted an investigation. After a person casts an absentee ballot, it's illegal for anyone else to touch the ballot at all, said Director Cherie Poucher.

      In the case of Jun Lee, who is running for Knightdale mayor, the number of ballots that were mailed in from Black Belt World "raised a red flag" for elections officials, Poucher said.

      Poucher contacted all of the voters and were told that a Lee campaign worker, whose name was not released, delivered some of the ballots to voters and then brought them back to the business to mail them. Lee said he never touched the ballots and wasn't aware of what the campaign worker did.

      Three ballots had to be thrown out, and the staffer's case is now headed to the district attorney, Poucher said.

      In Morrisville, election officials threw out five absentee votes in the town council race after voters said that candidate Linda Lyons was the signed witness on their ballots and that she took possession of the ballots after voters filled them out.

      Lyons, along with council member Steve Diehl, who allegedly hand-delivered six absentee ballots from voters in Lyons' district to the Board of Elections office, are now under investigation, Poucher said.

      "Our job is to protect the voter and make sure they are not intimidated," she said.

      Morrisville Mayor Jackie Holcombe said that candidates need to be better advised of the rules.

      "I have been a candidate twice. Neither time was I given a copy of the state statutes," she said.

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:53:42 AM PDT

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    •  Thing is (3+ / 0-)
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      There is no voter ID requirement for mail-in ballots in the new law.

      "Whenever a fellow tells me he's bipartisan, I know he's going to vote against me."-- Harry S. Truman

      by irmaly on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:57:10 AM PDT

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    •  States should work on ways (1+ / 0-)
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      to improve security of absentee ballots.  A system with a unique number identifier on exterior envelopes is a start, and of course limitations on who may receive ballots, limitations on mailing to commercial mailboxes.

      There will be some concern with duress or influence over people voting absentee, but on net, making it easier for people to vote increases participation and is a net good.  Note that in the example you cite, the alleged fraud was perpetrated with campaign staff and under the direction of a campaign.  This doesn't really happen on the individual voter level.

      In fact, the best deterrence against vote fraud by absentee ballot is to allow for permanent vote by mail - that way,election officials are already mailing out a ballot to a given address.

      In the rare instance where someone is impersonated at the absentee stage and shows up to vote at the polls, they should still be able to cast a provisional ballot under HAVA.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 12:28:12 PM PDT

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