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  •  there's nothing wrong with thinking the earth (4+ / 0-)
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    pollwatcher, mkor7, Anna M, US Blues

    is a single living organism it's just not science. I've met a lot of neo pagans that have more respect for life and nature then any other group.

    Frankly I wish more people would adopt the same view.

    •  Yes, agree and see your point, but (2+ / 0-)
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      it is factually wrong. There are indeed some very good people who have a "belief" system based on factually wrong information.  The problem is, there are a lot more very nasty people who have a "belief" system based on factually wrong information.

      It really is a very bad slippery slope situation.  For some reason, we are told we should "respect" people's "belief" systems.  Well, I don't.  I have no respect for people's "beliefs" but I have an enormous respect for people's actions. I cared nothing for Mother Theresa's "beliefs", but I hold a huge amount of respect for what she did to help other people.

      Besides, I find facts such as black holes, the size of the universe, quantum "spooky action at a distance", the complex relationships in ecosystems... to be far more spiritually moving than a false "belief" that satisfies some inner need.

      Yes, there are people who have a wonderful moral compass based on fictional "beliefs", and I call many my friends and respect them, but I think they truly are missing out on the incredibly spiritually moving experience it is to learn about the factual wonders that make up this universe.

      •  factually wrong is rather strong (3+ / 0-)
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        pollwatcher, US Blues, Anna M

        Sufficient to say that there is no scientific basis for the claim as it currently stands.

        I am sorry to hear that you refuse to respect other people's beliefs because really the diversity out there is fairly amazing. Personally speaking I've grown the most by being willing to listen even if at the end I disagree.


        •  I didn't say I didn't listen, (2+ / 0-)
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          duhban, sagesource

          Actually, I too find the diversity of "beliefs" very amazing and listen rather intently when people explain them to me.  But as Carl Sagan said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".  I have yet to see even a small amount of evidence to support most deity based belief systems.  And so I can not respect what people believe to be factual when there is no evidence to support it.  Don't get me wrong, I don't disdain them, or argue with them, or even dislike most of them, but their non factual beliefs do not earn my respect.

          Have a great day.

          •  What would constitute sufficient evidence (1+ / 0-)
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            for you, that the planet itself is a conscious being, albeit one whose operations of consciousness are sufficiently different from human cognition, that they are unrecognizable to said cognitive data manipulation?

            Now, I am not arguing for a particular point-of-view, or belief-system, just trying to understand the limits of your epistemology.

            "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

            by US Blues on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 05:05:26 PM PDT

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