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  •  I am half-kidding--it was actually warmer in Oslo (8+ / 0-)

    than it had been in London the week before.

    Yes, the bombing/shooting was a deep shock to Norway. It was the type of thing that doesn't happen there. I ended up chatting with a lot of people (many people in Norway speak English) who heard my American accent and wanted to know about the US.  America baffles them--they're not hostile to us (they're not really hostile to ANYTHING--they are very mellow and easy-going people) but they view us as a hugely rich and resourceful country that wastes its resources on war-mongering and cowboy antics while neglecting its own people.  And they are right. I spent most of my time trying to explain that not ALL Americans are as nutty as they think, and that some of us are trying our best to change our country's direction.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 05:23:23 AM PST

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    •  Must have been very interesting. (4+ / 0-)
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      I wonder what the political mood over there is now, whether they've swung to the left following that horror that was directed primarily against young leftist campers, or like Israel following the assassination of Rabin by a right wing zealot, whether they've swung in the direction of the perpetrator? Have you got any indication one way or the other from your friend over there?

      When I first heard about it I was reminded of the Dragon Tattoo novels, the very real threat that Larsson was warning us about, to a civil society from the rekindled fascism that seems to be everywhere these days.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

      by nailbender on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 06:03:53 AM PST

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      •  Torfinn is still worried by the rightwing (5+ / 0-)

        anti-foreigner movement there, but doesn't think it will grow into a real political force. But even as a fringe movement it is still capable of causing some real damage.

        But there has indeed been somewhat of a shift rightward in Norway--as 9-11 did in the US, the bombing/shooting sparked lots of worries about "security", and a center-right coalition won the recent elections on a platform of increased police measures (and cutting taxes). There has been talk of bringing one of the anti-immigration parties into the ruling coalition, which has sparked a LOT of controversy there.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 06:18:59 AM PST

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      •  I got a reply from Torfinn: (1+ / 0-)
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        Here's what he says to your question:

        "Yup, we have a right wing government now, and for the first time the most right wing party was invited in from the cold. This was the party that ABB was a member of as a young adult, but they were not radical enough for him. So he quit. (Something the party is immensly relieved about.) The main profile of the party is marked liberalism, rather in the extreme version, but they also have their share of "immigrant suspicious" elements and crackpots. It is the Norwegian party whose voters have the least education and whose politicians have the highest frequency of criminal records (economic, mostly). There were talks and negotiations about a four party coalision with two center parties as well as the two right wing ones, but since the center really hates the extreme right as the plague...Many have estimated that the government will tear itself to pieces some time next year. It is not stable.

        There is some shift to the right in Norwegian politics, but mostly by making the center stronger. Actually the extreme right lost a lot of seats in the parliament. The real reason the right wing won was that people were thinking that it was time for a change (no matter that the center-left government was doing a good job) and now it is the right's turn to try, NOT the actual politics -which the largest conservative party didn't really want to talk about before the election... (Yes, it was as stupid as that. We are sheep.)
        We hope that they don't do too much damage before they are kicked out, but our present prime minister is a fan of trickle down economics, and wants tax relief for the wealthiest. And immediately they started to talk about selling shares in Statoil etc. And they want to make it more difficult for the unemployed, single mothers, etc. You get the idea. If they continue like they have said next election will be a landslide for the left wing.

        Some of the new ministers are good people, some others are a bit shady, some are well meaning but incompetent, and my regard for our new PM is extremely low. -As a minister 13 years ago she said that it was acceptable to have so harsh immigrant routines that we accidentally sent out a percentage of refugees who legally had every right to protection in Norway. I want to wipe her self satisfied smirk off he face."

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 01:22:19 PM PST

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