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  •  are we sure (3+ / 0-)
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    mallyroyal, Troubadour, USHomeopath

    there are some plants out there that do come mighty interesting things.

    A century ago, as you pointed out, many people wouldn't have granted consciousness or sentience to animals.  We may learn more as we go along.  

    •  We may, but for the moment (0+ / 0-)

      we can only go by current evidence and theory.

      •  we can just decide (0+ / 0-)

        not to be speciests.  Decide that respect for all forms of life should be a priority.   Then we could probably be as good as dolphins.

        •  Holding other species to be morally higher (0+ / 0-)

          than humans is a fantasy.  If we're correct that dolphins are people, then some of them are assholes, and a few are probably psychotic - same as humans.  Our detriments just have a disproportionate impact because of our technology.

          And respect for life in general is not mutually exclusive to developing hierarchies for use in legal matters.  In fact, it's pretty much the only way other species are ever going to have rights.  

          •  you equate human with people (1+ / 0-)
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            Troubadour

            which is to be expected.

            But if dolphins are people, it doesn't mean they will be human or suffer from human mental illnesses, or have our morality, or our ability to hide from reality.   I am not sure what passes for 'asshole' behavior with dolphins, but there are probably a few that buck the system in one way or another.

            Just as few dogs are 'psychotic' or 'sociopathic', horses even less so, no reason to think that another animal will have human issues, they will have their own.  

            And for other species to have 'rights' in a system we made up, yes, it will depend on what we are willing to give them.  But that doesn't mean we couldn't learn some respect for life itself for our own betterment.

            And we, the big aggressive brained ones, are probably going to wipe most life out on this planet before we ever learn that, legal rights be damned.

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