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  •  Robin Kelly won the gen'l with 70% of votes cast. (7+ / 0-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    It was a big deal on this site.  Strange how you missed it.

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 10:37:32 AM PDT

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    •  The general was never in doubt. (0+ / 0-)

      It was the primary that was 'a big deal on here'.

      I'm surprised you missed that.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:06:46 PM PDT

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      •  The primary where the pro NRA person lost? (4+ / 0-)

        I don't think I missed it.  Debbie Halverson, right?  

        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

        by Inland on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:31:36 PM PDT

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        •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

          Where the Democrat Debbie Halverson lost.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 01:39:30 PM PDT

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          •  Right. The pro NRA dem lost in the primary. (6+ / 0-)

            Then Robin defeated the pro -NRA republican by running up 70%.

            "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

            by Inland on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:40:11 PM PDT

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            •  70% is a historically low total for the D in that (1+ / 0-)
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              district.
              5 of the past 6 elections were won with over 80%. (The only exception being an election where the winner resigned sixteen days after the election.)
              The general was never in question.

              The gun debate has, thus far, managed to win nothing for the democratic party but a democratic primary.

              In contrast it has cost the Democratic party 2 recall elections (the first two in Colorado's 137 year history) & was unable to keep a damn good Democratic candidate with a 9 point lead from losing eighteen points in a mere two weeks to someone that stole state funds to commit adultery, was outspent 4-1, was arrested during the campaign & was abandoned by his own party.

              Helluva winner you got there.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 09:29:27 PM PDT

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              •  First, CO passes the law. You lose. (2+ / 0-)

                Second, only four are targeted for revenge, in a show of weakness.

                Third, two of the four efforts fail to get enough signatures.

                And the remaining two are still drawing paychecks.

                Hope your continue to have equally big wins  

                "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                by Inland on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 06:15:55 AM PDT

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                •  First 2 recalls in the 137 yr history of Colorado (0+ / 0-)

                  Fortunately, I'm certain the Democratic Party doesn't share your unique viewpoint that unprecedented recall elections of Democrats are  good for Democrats.

                  But I am absolutely tickled that you do!

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 07:54:20 AM PDT

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              •  5 of last 6 had an incumbent JJJ. (2+ / 0-)

                You're not very good with this stuff, are you?

                "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                by Inland on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 06:18:50 AM PDT

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                •  6 of the last 6. Or more accurately, 8 of the last (0+ / 0-)

                  8.

                  For the record, I think you are great at this.
                  In fact, you are one of my all-time favorite commenters!

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 07:31:15 AM PDT

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                  •  Golly. (2+ / 0-)

                    You're not telling the truth.  Someone alert the media to this unprecedented development.  

                    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                    by Inland on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 07:53:10 AM PDT

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                    •  What part? Do tell. (0+ / 0-)

                      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                      by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 07:55:09 AM PDT

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                      •  I'm thinking it's time for you to tell us a few. (3+ / 0-)

                        Like your affiliations with the NRA or other gun lobbies, where you get your "information" from, who you support for office.  

                        Or, you can stop pretending that you're so upfront and truthful.

                        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                        by Inland on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:17:12 AM PDT

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                        •  I have no affiliation with the NRA. (0+ / 0-)

                          If I did, I would have no problems saying so.

                          I get my information from something called 'Google'.
                          Not only does Google exist, but you can use it before hitting 'post'.

                          "Stop pretending you are upfront & truthful"
                          If you are going to call me a liar:
                          1) Have the guts to simply say so
                          2) Provide a quote & link to the alleged lie.

                          Conversely you can continue with your little temper-tantrum.
                          It's all the same to me.

                          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                          by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:27:39 AM PDT

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                          •  Nice dodge. (3+ / 0-)

                            Having dodged, nobody can say you lied.  Or so you think.  

                            We can only say you have things to hide.  That you're not honest.  That you're misleading.  That you've got agendas that if disclosed would make it hard for you to continue to parachute into diaries with your propaganda drops.

                            But liar?  You think you've beaten that rap.  I don't.  

                            "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

                            by Inland on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:32:02 AM PDT

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                          •  What dodge? (0+ / 0-)

                            How did I mislead you?
                            What agenda?
                            Quite frankly, WTF are you babbling about?

                            Are there any other mysteries originating from your land of make-believe that you care to share with us?

                            I await the next exiting edition with bated breath!

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:45:43 AM PDT

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                          •  Don't feed the trolls!!!! (2+ / 0-)

                            Especially the NRA fan-boys.

                            I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                            by coquiero on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:59:38 AM PDT

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                          •  It's not thanks to the policies I support that (0+ / 0-)

                            caused the NRA to increase its membership by 20% with a million new members.

                            But I wouldn't expect a 'Bloombot' to manage to grasp the importance of that.......
                            See how silly guilt by association is?

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 10:14:57 AM PDT

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            •  Frank Rose's cites district is Sc-01 (2+ / 0-)
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              as proof that Dems are punished at the polls for gun safey laws.

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              SC-01, the district where they had to carve out Charleston, in order to create a deeply red district, made of those who can afford to live at the beach or in the wealthy suburbs of Charleston.

              http://images1.dailykos.com/...

              http://proximityone.com/...

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 12:44:36 AM PDT

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              •  The district that Colbert-Busch was up by 9 points (0+ / 0-)

                two weeks prior to the election.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 05:59:00 AM PDT

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                •  Blah, blah, blah (2+ / 0-)
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                  I'll hand it to Snaford. He made the race about Nancy Pelosi. He new his audience.

                  You've never offered any data showing that the shift depended on gun policy.

                  If you have no interest in supporting any candidate in the the recall, then your comments here are simply attempts to divert, distract, denigrate, and diminish those who do support the dems in the recall.

                  "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                  by LilithGardener on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 08:07:31 AM PDT

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                  •  He made it a national election. (0+ / 0-)

                    The gun debate was going on at the national stage.

                    Somehow your 'big winner' was present when C-B managed to lose 18 points in a mere 2 weeks.

                    It is also present in the 1st two successful recall petitions in Colorado history.

                    There is a lesson to learn from these. Just as there was a lesson to be learned in 1994.

                    Even if you don't catch on, I am certain the party will.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:00:34 AM PDT

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