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  •  aasdf (0+ / 0-)

    Playing Devil's advocate here:

    Should one not participate in the production of 4 children if they cannot take care of them financially?

    •  Do you honestly believe (2+ / 0-)
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      that everyone on food stamps has 4 kids? Or that people can't be doing well, have 4 kids, and then get laid off and be unable to find work at a comparable salary? Really? Or what about the parent who was doing well and then was injured, or developed cancer, or a lung or heart disease through no fault of their own that prohibits them from working?
      In case you hadn't noticed, kids have to be cared for for at least 18 years, and it's not like buying a house or a car, where you can sell it, or let it be foreclosed on if you can't afford the payments all of a sudden. When we all develop perfect precognition, then I'll give your "devil's advocate" argument some credence.

      "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

      by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:13:15 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        AGain, as devil's advocate:

        The woman quoted was working - not laid off.
        So - to repeat - should one not abstain from producing children one is not in a financial position to support?
        That is the argument yu would likely hear first and foremost.

        (Remember, 'devil's advocate' does not imply that I would make the same argument or be unaware of possible answers to it.

        I'm suggesting  merely that a better spokerperson should perhaps have been selected to make the argument against the cuts.

        •  Working does not mean a livable wage. (1+ / 0-)
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          And it doesn't mean she didn't have a livable wage, say 4, or 3, or even 1 year ago. Also, doesn't mean she had access to health care or contraceptives.

          And again, unless everyone suddenly has perfect precognition, I won't even really begin to accept "why did she choose to have x amount of children" as any type of beginning to a conversation. Not to mention most of the people who ask that question don't believe a woman should even have a right to choose in the first place.

          "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

          by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:47:21 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

            I don't disagree with you.

            My main point was simply using her as a spokesperson for the side favoring the cuts not be made.

            Better someone laid off or disabled with children, not someone with a full time job.

            THAT was my main point. :D

            •  I don't know.. (0+ / 0-)

              I think a working mom with 4 kids who relies on food stamps makes a very good spokesman. To tell Congress to stop fucking with food stamps and start focusing on improving the economy including increasing the minimum wage so fewer people have to rely on food stamps.

              "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

              by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:26:26 PM PDT

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