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  •  I can't speak for anyone else (12+ / 0-)

    but Monsanto is the sole reason I don't trust GMOs. (Not that my mistrust can be acted on, since I'm not allowed to know what products contain them) Genetic modification could be a huge boon, but we know that Monsanto influences scientific study  in its own favor. When our only method of determining objective truth has been infected with money what the hell are we supposed to do?

    One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain -Bob Marley

    by Darwinian Detritus on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:32:04 AM PDT

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    •  Monsanto is not involved here though. (10+ / 0-)

      this is a private grower, using several university resources.

    •  There's plenty of good science out there (5+ / 0-)

      that's not "owned" by Monsanto.  Here's a "short" list of 126 independently funded studies.

      Better yet - read the article and you'll find it has nothing to do with Monsanto except insofar as the existence of Monsanto has poisoned so many otherwise intelligent minds against the technology.

      Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

      by mikidee on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:47:44 AM PDT

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    •  The issue with Monsanto (5+ / 0-)

      is their desire to capture and monopolize whole food production systems.  They want farmers dependent upon GMO seed designed for a whole host of other products - insecticides, herbicides, etc.

      GMO itself is not necessarily any more harmful than selective breeding, which we've been doing since the neolithic. But, it can also be far more dangerous. If you engineer a pesticide into an orange tree, you can have potentially devastating impact on a range of other insects you never intended to hurt, including the bees that polinate orange blossoms.  If those genes transfer through viral infections to other plants, then the damage spreads.  This is why the Monsanto version of engineering genes for toxic inputs is so wrong.  If, however, you find out how this particular bacteria is able to attack orange leaves and not spinach, and you can replicate some aspect of spinach biochemistry to disrupt bacterial infections, then you might just have accellerated the process of natural or artificial selection rather than having created a monster.  Maybe that gene would have changed through random mutation and natural selection - maybe not.

      This is why (a) we need to preserve wild relatives of domesticated plants and (b) we need to fund in a serious sort of way the fundamental science that allows very precisely targeted genetic engineering, and we need to do it with government funds in the public interest.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 09:05:02 AM PDT

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    •  That's somewhat similar to me saying (0+ / 0-)

      that the sole reason I don't trust nuclear weapons (probably the greatest peace keeping force ever know to mankind) is the involvement of Halliburton.  Which turns out not to be really all that involved at all . .. .

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