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  •  Your priorities are clear (0+ / 0-)
    I also don't like people who cannot distinguish between what they like or don't like, and what is legal or illegal. Both Manning and Snowden broke the law. Whether you like what they did or not is secondary.
    And that's all I need to know about you.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 11:43:58 AM PDT

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    •  Uh... (0+ / 0-)

      my priorities being that I can distinguish between my politics and what the law says?

      That's deep, man.  

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        That you consider the actions of these men as "politics," and the legality of those actions carries more weight than the value of those actions -- to expose government wrongdoing.

        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

        by DeadHead on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 03:04:33 PM PDT

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        •  You'll have to define "wrongdoing" (0+ / 0-)

          for me.  And it is all politics.  It is what kind of government we want to have.  If the political will is with Snowden, he is exonerated post hoc.  If the political will is against him, he will be vilified and persona non grata.  By definition.

          Did you know Manning was losing his mind in the days up until the leak?  Did you hear about the female intelligence analyst he punched in the face?  Read his instant messages?  This was not some cool-headed, confident, conscientious philosopher type.  Manning is a basket case, a veritable stew of neuroses.

          Snowden was an intelligent but underachieving NPD case who exaggerated his educational credentials.  He's slimy.  

          You mean to tell me these two desperados have a superior moral conscience to every other of the hundreds of thousands of people with security clearance?

          I don't buy it.

          And you misunderstood my original point when you had your "Eureka" moment re: my "priorities."

          I said I care about civil liberties and wrongdoing by the military.  But I have as much a problem with unthinking anti-government ideologues, those whom no leak could fail to please, those who are suspicious of authority simply because it is authority, those who cannot tell legal from moral, who cannot distinguish moral courage from the self-aggrandizement of disordered personalities.

          What if Snowden leaked the nuclear codes to show his opposition to nuclear war?  Under your thinking, he is morally unassailable.  But politically and legally, he loses, because not everyone agrees with you about what is right or wrong.  That is why we have democracy in the first place.

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