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  •  So I learned from a youtube video yesterday (3+ / 0-)
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    that Communists (in East Germany) had better sex.  And that the proliferation of pornography in the East after the Wall came down reversed it...

    (NSFW: plenty of nudity here)

    BTW, that video is almost an hour long, and I found myself repeatedly asking myself about the Stasi.

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 03:20:38 AM PDT

    •  I'm not gonna click to find out (1+ / 0-)
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      but that video looks potentially very creepy.
      What is the little kid doing there?

      •  The woman is his mom (3+ / 0-)

        and he's interrupted her coming out of the shower.  After he points out to her that her anatomy is different from his, she calmly covers up with a bathrobe and gently explains the facts of life in 6 yo friendly language.

        It's not really a creepy scene.  It comes from a smash hit West German sex ed film.

        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

        by litho on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 05:06:53 AM PDT

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        •  I don't know all the specifics (1+ / 0-)
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          about child porn laws in the U.S., and I'm not saying this is child porn. But I am saying you might be taking a risk watching it. So might anyone who clicks on your video.

          It's not as though the concept of sex ed has never been used in porn- and really, how many sex ed films are "smash hits"?

          •  You know what? (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm going to specifically recommend that you watch the entire video.  There might be some parts that make you a little uncomfortable, but I strongly believe that you will find interesting the distinction the filmmaker draws between the East and West German approaches to human sexuality.

            Take the risk.  You might learn something.

            When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

            by litho on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 06:50:14 AM PDT

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            •  Sorry, I'll pass. You could be right (1+ / 0-)
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              and it might be interesting, but it's not about making me uncomfortable. It's about whoever monitors this stuff and what they might think crosses a line. That's definitely not a risk I'm interested in.

              •  To further entice you (0+ / 0-)

                I'll include some blurbs for the film included at the Icarus Films (the film's US distributor) website I linked in the initial comment.  This film is legit all the way (the Library Journal blurb below states "recommended for most libraries"), and I strongly urge you to see it.  It will make you a better person:

                "This compelling documentary shows that the Cold War was also fought in bed, and that for a long time it was the Communist East who retained the upper hand. ...a well-made documentary that can serve for classroom screenings in modern history, gender studies, and cultural studies." —Anthropology Review Database, December 2011

                “Pithy... an entertaining, visually appealing package, including aptly chosen archival footage and colorful, witty animated segments... A fascinating cultural time capsule and, one hopes, the start of some lively discussion. Frequent nudity, sexual situations, and profanity but kept firmly in context; suitable for mature teens and up and recommended for most libraries.” —J. Osicki, Library Journal

                “Has enough serious content to warrant serious consideration for academic use at the research and classroom level... a film that belongs in any university library.” —Benita Blessing, H-Net Reviews in the Humanities and Social Sciences

                "Brings up important issues concerning state and politics and is more than just an exercise in sensationalism... there's real subject matter to be found." —

                "Entertaining and informative... One can use this video as a discussion starter in a variety of classes... a valuable addition to the history of sexuality." —David S. Hall, PhD, Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality

                "Amusing! Eye-popping archival footage!" —Sydney Morning Herald

                "An odd but amusing documentary... offers an offbeat look at life in East Germany during the Cold War years, punctuated with delightfully randy animation ... viewers with an appreciation for the absurd will enjoy the film's charm and style. Recommended." —P. Hall, Video Librarian

                "Often humorous, always informative... Would be appropriate for those studying sexual politics and sex education... Recommended." —Jessica Schomberg, Educational Media Reviews Online

                When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

                by litho on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 08:58:11 AM PDT

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                •  Okay, you convinced me- (2+ / 0-)
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                  I just watched it and yes it's pretty interesting. They raised some good questions, but I'm not sure they answered them.

                  The dominant p.o.v. seemed to be that sex is better when the state has more control of information and education and the culture is outwardly more repressed. No idea if that's a valid conclusion, not really even sure about the basic premise of better sex in the East.

                  More research citations would have helped. Self-reporting from a population that have been conditioned for 40 years to say everything's great might not be the most reliable.

                  And seriously, those scenes of life in East Germany were not my idea of fun. I'm voting for the free society- you don't need repression to have an orgasm. You don't even need a government.

                  I'll expect to become a better person any minute now.

                  •  I'm not sure they answered their questions (2+ / 0-)
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                    either, and in particular I was struck by the total absence of any discussion of totalitarianism.

                    I was however more or less convinced by the central argument of women's relative empowerment in the East and how that, coupled with the Party's openness to discussion of sexuality, led to freer, less inhibited, more enjoyable sexual relationships.  It matched with what I saw in the very few East Germans I've met in my life.

                    In fact, that was what particularly interesting about the film.  Not that East Germany was a repressed society, but that the focus on political repression distracts from the sexual liberation that appears to have been part of the reality.

                    Because the film had no thoroughgoing discussion of political repression, it didn't reach any conclusions about whether that was a necessary tradeoff.  Instead, it left its final conclusion at the level of the commercialization of sexuality, through pornography and advertising, and how that commercialization in the West led to greater sexual inhibitions.

                    And you're already a better person, because you're engaging in an open discussion of the unknown rather than allowing your fear to close off an interesting area of debate...

                    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

                    by litho on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 01:31:44 PM PDT

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                    •  Not afraid of debate- can't be and survive (3+ / 0-)

                      in a big Irish family.
                      Definitely afraid of clicking on the wrong link and getting an unwelcome visit from whoever monitors for dicey stuff involving kids- which as it turned out this did not- but I had nothing to go on except the image from the video and the NSFW alert. Your posting the stuff from your link made it clear that it was legit. I'd still hesitate to click on something that looked like trouble, so I haven't changed a bit.

                      The filmmakers did try to make a case for women's relative empowerment in the East, but that came off to me as a bit propaganda-ish. At least I was not convinced. They had jobs (which looked pretty sucky for the most part), but when you have to have a baby to get housing you're not exactly on top of the world. And if the payoff is you get to tell your partner you're not really into his penis (WTF?), I'm not dazzled by that either. And some of it was just silly- I believe women in East Germany don't flip out if they don't have an orgasm, but I doubt women in West Germany do either, cause women are not idiots.

                      The sex ed part was pretty good- assuming the contrast with the West really was that stark. I'm all for sex ed in schools, especially the biology piece of it and safe sex, not quite so fond of what seemed to be lectures on the "right" way to think about it and talk about it- and have it. That part is just not the same for everyone, obviously. Too much state control- again.

                      The commercialization part was the most interesting, given that we still don't really know much about the impact on sexuality. There are newish reports that men can develop performance problems from too much reliance on porn, so  maybe they have a point that it can be a negative.

                      Anyway, I spent too much time here yesterday arguing sexual politics with a woman who thought I was a bad feminist for not agreeing that the Borgatta Babes in their sexy costumes were being exploited. And I gotta cook dinner. Chicken parmesan will definitely make me a better person.

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