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  •  Solidarity (9+ / 0-)

    When the cost of materials increase, business happily passes those costs (plus a little more to pad their own pockets, of course) along to the customer.  The cost of labor, when it increases, should be handled in the same way.

    The cost of paper packaging and the cost of labor, when they increase, need to be dealt with in the way that increased costs have been dealt with in the past by business.

    We don't have problems paying more to ensure that workers get decent compensation for their labor.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 02:22:39 PM PDT

    •  Someone posted an analysis of raising wages (7+ / 0-)

      on the cost of food at McDonald's. It turns out a Big Mac meal would go up by about 70¢. Hardly a deal breaker. And if McDonald's wasn't run by arrogant pricks they'd discover that if the working poor had more money they'd spend more of it. Much of it at places like McDonald's, etc. The same goes for Mal*Wart and other low-wage employers. Ultimately by underpaying their own workers they're hurting themselves as well. Short-sighted idiots.

      Spite is the ranch dressing Republicans slather on their salad of racism

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 02:27:56 PM PDT

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      •  As things stand now taxpayers (8+ / 0-)

        are subsidizing those low wage paying businesses through the food stamps and Medicaid that their workers qualify for.  It's unreal to have us propping up these billion dollar industries for continuing to enslave their employees.

        Nobody who works at a job should be poor.  Ever.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 02:32:25 PM PDT

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      •  IIRC, that was 68 cents, for wages of $ 15 / hr... (0+ / 0-)

        ...which may or may not be realistically attainable.
        I also recall that at a wage of something like $ 10 - 12 / hr, the incremental cost hit for a Big Mac was supposedly on the order of a nickel.
        OTOH, I've also heard that at least one of those studies was challenged on the basis that they used the labor-cost ratio for the MacDonalds corporation, which has very different cost structures from the franchises, which are the employers in question in most cases.
        So, grains of salt for all of the above, possibly.
        I'd happily pay a dollar more for my occasional fast-food forays, if it meant something closer to a living wage -- not to mention simple respect -- for the staff.

        •  The analysis had many flaws (1+ / 0-)
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          including the notion that an extra 68 cents would not impact the volume of burgers sold. As someone who was clearly paying attention in Econ 101 commented, if McD's could sell the same number of Big Macs and charge an extra 68 cents they would have already raised the price. McD's recently took the Angus Burger off their menu because at the $4.99 price it wasn't selling. The demand for fast food is very elastic, the margins at the franchise level are skinny and the competitions has now focused intensely on price.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 05:16:20 PM PDT

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          •  I doubt it would... (0+ / 0-)

            ...if the minimum wage increase was universal and not just limited to McDonald's.  "Hey, my wages just doubled." "Hey, the price of a big mac meal just went up $0.70 because of your raise." "So?  Now I can actually afford to buy one occasionally!"

            An inflation of about 10% in price when your income just went up 100% -- particularly when the former's the result of the latter -- isn't exactly a thing to get hung up about.

            •  Praxical - I agree (1+ / 0-)
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              If the minimum wage goes up it impacts all employers of minimum wage workers and prices will rise for all fast food. The article in question suggested that McD's by itself could easily double what was paid, even if their competitors didn't, which is nonsense.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 09:14:20 PM PDT

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    •  If you are willing to pay more... (0+ / 0-)

      Save yourself money longterm - In diabetes, heart disease, etc... by paying more for better food not served by McDonalds in the first place.

      •  Applies equally to all low wage workers (1+ / 0-)
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        whether they're working for fast food or retail.  If you think that the only low wage workers work at McDonalds or Taco Bell, you're ignoring Target, WalMart and all of the other low wage workplaces.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 03:01:36 PM PDT

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        •  You can do low wage workers all sorts of good.. (2+ / 0-)
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          by not shopping at WalMart. This includes low paid workers in Bangladeshi sweat shops.

          •  No, you can't. Because there's always some (6+ / 0-)

            Other customer who doesn't know about these problems, or doesn't care.  This right here is "invisible hand of of the free market" crap.  And it's been proved over and over that it doesn't benefit anyone but the people at the top.

              The ONLY way to do low wage workers any good is by paying them more, ie, requiring their bosses to pay them more.  And a lousy $10 an hour ain't going to cut it.  Puddly tat is right:  NO ONE WHO WORKS SHOULD BE POOR!

          •  I don't shop at WalMart (2+ / 0-)
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            But my taxes and yours subsidize them because their workers are paid so little they qualify for social welfare programs.  Sam must be rolling in his grave.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 03:59:05 PM PDT

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