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  •  where do I stand? (0+ / 0-)

    I think 'whistleblower' means something very specific legally speaking. I think both Manning and Snowden had all sorts of routes to take any behavior they thought unethical or illegal and yet took the one that is utterly wrong.

    What I really find interesting is that Greenwald isn't even allegeding any wrong doing or illegal activity, just that the NSA 'has the capablity' well no shit sherlock the government could do lots of things that doesn't mean it does or will.

    We have needed a discussion on digital rights for over a decade now but this isn't a discussion this is Greenwald wielding his grudge against Obama and/or the US and people not paying attention.

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    by duhban on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 05:33:20 PM PDT

    •  They had no routes (3+ / 0-)

      that would have resulted in the American people learning what what the intelligence community was doing in their name. There were no other routes that would have ensured that the public would have learned that members of the US intelligence were going way beyond their authority and committing criminal offenses like lying to Congress.

      The idea that they had alternative ways to blow the whistle wasn't even true fir Daniel Ellsberg. Now, it is impossible to get needed information out without using the press. or direct internet publication.

      You say:

      What I really find interesting is that Greenwald isn't even allegeding any wrong doing or illegal activity, just that the NSA 'has the capability' well no shit sherlock the government could do lots of things that doesn't mean it does or will.
      I don't think you're paying attention. The Snowden revelations have made clear that Administration intelligence officials have lied to the Congress. They've also made clear that searches being carried  by lower-level techies go way beyond what the law allows. That's illegal activity. Also, the potential for illegal activity, along with the thousands of low level functionaries having access to the NSA tools makes it virtually certain that those tools are being abused right now, everyday.

      And finally, the fact that NSA has the capability to commit unconstitutional searches and seizures certainly does mean that they very probably its functionaries would do so in the future, and that we must ask the question is the risk of ongoing and future wholesale violations of the constitution using the capabilities NSA has developed, worth risking, in return for the additional safety that may or may not result from using these tools? I've posed and answered a similar question here. My answer is no, it is far from worth it. It is a travesty. It is cowardly. And it will, in a brief time, result in the end of democracy.

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