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  •  I checked out your link, and some of (12+ / 0-)

    the links that were in that article - an interesting case for sure......

    It's ok for an 18-21 year old to buy a handgun from an individual, or have it given to them as an gift, yet they can't purchase from an licensed gun shop - how messed up is that?

    Maybe they were in error in the one article I checked out where they said that 18-21 year olds could not purchase ammo, even though they could purchase rifles or shotguns. That really makes no sense at all (if true).

    The main "reasoning" given for the current law is that young adults 18-21 years old are too immature to be trusted with handguns......If so, how do we then reconcile the fact that we send these same 18-21 year olds to war?

    Thanks again for the linkage - much appreciated

    •  Hey, dude, you lost in the Fifth Circuit. YOU LOST (0+ / 0-)

      IN THE FUCKING FIFTH CIRCUIT!

      Please get a clue, or stay away!

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 10:08:35 PM PDT

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    •  Your argument seems predicated on (2+ / 0-)
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      the idea that it makes sense to send 18-year-olds off to war.  I don't agree with them, but I suspect the argument from the ones trying to reconcile it would be "over there they can kill 'those people' and it'll be for freedom.  If they do it here, well then they're just thugs with no discipline or training shooting up the place."

      Killing is killing if ya ask me, but that's the argument you'll probably hear.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 09:38:07 AM PDT

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      •  There are many differing purposes to killing.... (1+ / 0-)
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        some good, some bad.  But that's a subject for another diary.

        I don't think anyone claimed that sending 18-year-olds to war "makes sense" (although there are several societal/psychological reasons that it does); the point being made is that anyone old enough to go to war for their country deserves to enjoy the complete panopoly of Constitutional Rights.

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        by PavePusher on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 10:22:27 AM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately expansion of handguns to (2+ / 0-)
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          18-21 will likely increase the number of justified killings by police, on the thin ground of, "I thought he was reaching for a gun."

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 10:47:42 AM PDT

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          •  Unfortunately... (4+ / 0-)

            Most police shootings are ruled justified (for local criminal prosecutions) just by them claiming the victim was 'reaching' for 'something'. It seems like they don't need a reason to shoot anymore.

            •  I'm convinced some future era will be (2+ / 0-)

              studying this sickening trend as one of our policy failures.

              There are such clear racial disparities, and what seems to me obvious flaws in training and supervision.

              We need "civilian" oversight, in the form of community review boards, that can help people hold the city or county government accountable for their police budget and for how they use those resources.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 11:33:09 AM PDT

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          •  Currently available stats don't seem to support... (0+ / 0-)

            that prediction.

            Even if they did, there's a very simple way to avoid such:

            1.  Train the Citizenry, in public schools, what their Constitutional Rights are, and how to exercise them safely and responsibly.

            2.  Train the Police on what our Constitutional Rights are, and how to not violate them with the excuse of "I just want to go home every night".

            We should be doing this regardless of any other proposed laws.  

            Note that item 1 will also address item 2 after a few years....

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            by PavePusher on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 06:45:27 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, we should certainly (0+ / 0-)

              1.  Train the Citizenry, in public schools, gunowners what their Constitutional Rights [and responsibilities] are, and how to [evaluate whether they] exercise them safely and responsibly.

              2.  Train [Demand that] the Police on what our Constitutional Rights are, and how to not violate them with the excuse of "I just want to go home every night"[enforce existing law and prosecute negligent gun owners at least as eagerly as they shoot unarmed people.]

              Successful No. 2 will enhance the effectiveness of No. 1 within a few years...

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:04:28 AM PDT

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        •  Can't be President till you are 35, Can't be (2+ / 0-)
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          Senator till you are 30, Can't be Representative till you are 25 years old.

          The youngest person to ever serve as a governor in the United States was Stevens T. Mason. . . Mason was re-elected in November 1837, then age 26
          In most states the minimum age of the governor is 30, though in some it is 25, 21, or 18. Oklahoma is the only state with an older age, 31.

          give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

          by 88kathy on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 01:40:37 PM PDT

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      •  That argument also fails to acknowlede that (2+ / 0-)
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        those who are selected for the responsibility of going off to war are screened.

        Imperfectly screened, yes, but they are screened for intelligence, psychological health, and violent history.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 11:37:24 AM PDT

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    •  actually,18-21yo's are only restricted from (1+ / 0-)
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      purchasing pistol ammunition....rifle and shotgun is fine....

      The big problem arises when it's used in both like 38 or 45acp or even worse 9mm and 40 as those are mainly pistol rounds....

      I have seen some sales denied and some made as long as when asked, the youngster says it's for a rifle....still sometimes they are denied as it is basically designed for pistols even though there are carbines available in that caliber.

      Personally, imo, if you are old enough to be drafted, you are old enough to buy a pistol or any firearm you choose from a .22 to a 50bmg

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 08:12:35 PM PDT

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