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  •  Disagree. The goal of Neoliberalism (4+ / 0-)

    on global scale  isn't to advance any particular national interest. Its to assert the control of MNCs over state actions (e.g., race to the bottom is about controlling states. Not about states controlling corporations.) Many treaties are now written that way. THere is no colonial force or state actor who really benefits its people from the action. This is the new wrinkle in the last 2 decades.

    •  MNCs are and always have been the prime (0+ / 0-)

      method of colonialism. Corporations were invented for colonialism. Colonialism was never really about national interest, it has always been about the interests of the elite. Now it's pure colonialism by the elites of the masses. Which is to say that I agree with you, I just see it through a different lens.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:09:40 PM PDT

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      •  MNCS (2+ / 0-)
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        There was a point where the colonization benefited the citizens of t he colonizers

        I don't think this can be disputed

        What's happening now is that it benefits neither the colonizing state nor the colonized state

        This also when you look at these treaties, like the European one, also cannot be disputed although a lot of smoke will be thrown up to convince the populous otherwise

        There's a reason they are being negotiated in secret

        That's because neither population will like it

        •  I'm interested in the corporate form (1+ / 0-)
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          as a method of colonization. And I agree that they don't benefit anyone but the elite. What we're looking at is the use of the techniques of colonization used upon the entire world. White people need to wake up and remember that they were colonized as well and are being colonized again. White people got to be the extra-special golden boys for a few hundred years but that's over now.

          I'm of Irish and Scottish descent and I come from a colonized people who became colonizers. And that happened through the use of corporations in various ways. We really need to remember that corporations were invented specifically to do evil things without accountability. It's their entire raison d'etre.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:18:18 PM PDT

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        •  Some of the citizens benefited (0+ / 0-)

          a lot more than others.

      •  During the colonial era they were (1+ / 0-)
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        still nationally based. British companies competed with French companies and both were supported by the respective colonial empires. Truly multi-national enterprises are a post WW II occurrence.

        The current two major trade treaties that are under negotiation are attempts to take that to an all new level by weakening the power of national law and regulation.

        •  I shouldn't have said MNCs (1+ / 0-)
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          I meant the corporate form in general, not the current form.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:18:55 PM PDT

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          •  I think that one might be able to make (1+ / 0-)
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            a case for a connection between the demise of formal colonialism occurring at exactly the same time that MNCs were taking off. Colonialism carried a lot of overhead with all of those fussy district administrators poking around in their pith helmets.  

            •  The correlation is certainly there (0+ / 0-)

              in terms of timing. I wouldn't be surprised if there were historical documents that laid it out specifically in regards to American policy. It makes me realize what a historical dearth of documents we're leaving the future in regards to corporate rule in our time. I can't imagine there will be any real corporate documents from this time still extant in a hundred year. Water, water, everywhere and not a drop to drink.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 12:49:22 PM PDT

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      •  The British East India Company comes to mind (1+ / 0-)
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        The British government had little to no control over the Company which was run by wealthy elites. It even ran its own military.

        Many MNC's are now also so large and powerful they cannot be effectively controlled by any one government.

        BTW, I've always been fascinated that the first American flag was a copy of the British East India Company.

        First American Flag

        The flag choice appears to have presaged what America would eventually become some 200 years later.

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