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    Neoliberalism is a label for economic liberalism, advocates of which support economic liberalization, free trade and open markets, privatization, deregulation, and decreasing the size of the public sector while increasing the role of the private sector in modern society.
    If you disagree, provide some context please.  Links, alternative definitions something.  Otherwise, we're just talking in circles.

    To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

    by dizzydean on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 01:22:25 PM PDT

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      •  I do see above, and other than your statement (0+ / 0-)

        that it "creates a market"--which, again, is not the whole of the act nor are the exchanges wholly free--nothing fits the definition you give.  The ACA has more subsidies, expands Medicaid, has many more regs on insurance cos and health care providers.  

        Just because something has a market component does not make it neo-lib.  

        In looking at what you and AoT have written, I feel as if you have decided that the ACA was neo-lib already and try to make it fit your pre-existing positions on it.

        No, it's not as good as single payer.  Single payer would be great.  But, it has much to be aid for it.

        I also think that there are quite a few here (not you necessarily) who are invested in the idea that "Obama is neo-lib", regardless of the facts.  It's a label, it has some "word-magic", it fits with a narrative.  

        To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

        by dizzydean on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 01:50:31 PM PDT

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        •  It is not a black and white binary matter. (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm not one of the people trying to condemn Obamacare as a creation of the devil. I don't think that there is anything in the way of law or policy that could be called 100% neoliberal. The ACA has clear neoliberal elements in it. That makes it attractive to some people. Given that my economic and political views are well to the left of that it makes it less attractive to me.

          I think that the ACA is better than doing nothing about health care.  

          •  Good. That's the sort of nuance needed for a (0+ / 0-)

            discussion on this or any other policy.  

            One of the problems I see at DK right now is that too many want to buy into an all-or-nothing approach with regards to practically every issue--maybe that's a dynamic of short view politics/concerns.  I dunno.  But, what I do know is that we've seen all sorts of labels get thrown around without any real context--neo-liberal being one of those--as a pejorative.  

            You are right, there may be some neo-lib parts to the ACA, but these seem to be mostly shrouded in definitively non-neo-lib regulations or programs.  To label the whole act as neo-lib seems hyperbole designed to express unhappiness with the end result rather than actuality.

            To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

            by dizzydean on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 02:05:00 PM PDT

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            •  Daily Kos just echos the US media political (1+ / 0-)
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              narrative. It is a sporting event with two teams pushing and shoving each other. That leaves no room for people who want to talk about complex policies.

              I find that the best way to get a handle on any political or economic movement is to tune out the rhetoric and look at what the proponents actually do when it is time to take specific action.

              •  Yeah, though wouldnt it be nice if we just had (0+ / 0-)

                one team at DK?  I feel as if it's gotten to the point that we have two sides who won't talk to each other.  And that's sad, because this place has such potential to mobilize activists to do some good stuff.

                To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

                by dizzydean on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 02:23:14 PM PDT

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                •  There are still people on both "sides" (2+ / 0-)
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                  that talk to each other, at least some times.

                  It seems to go back and forth here. And I claim nothing like innocence in all of it, but I do try. Though I don't succeed nearly as much as I would like.

                  If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                  by AoT on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 03:29:08 PM PDT

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