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  •  A few points... (0+ / 0-)

    1) I don't think you can tar recruiters with that brush, since they rarely have contact with the soldiers they recruit once they enter active duty.  A large chunk of the folks in this review were recruiters.

    2) "Should have been zero" is pretty much a impossible bar to meet.  Given the fact that some of this stuff is being done as a retroactive disqualification (e.g. the 'alcohol-related offense' stuff), I think that most folks would be happy with a success rate in excess of 99.5%.

    I do completely agree with you that any history of child abuse or sexual assault should have been an immediate disqualifer for entry to the military, and that any such offense while in service should result in immediate separation.  Those folks had no business being in uniform.

    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

    by wesmorgan1 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 09:03:04 PM PDT

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      •  That, too, is overblown to some degree. (0+ / 0-)

        In 2013, the Army documented 327 sexual misconduct cases against recruiters over the previous five years.  That's an average of roughly 65 cases per year.

        The Recuiting Command has roughly 8000 recruiters at any given time, with soldiers rotating in and out of recruiter duty every year.  The typical tour of duty as a front-line recruiter is three years in duration.  A perfectly even distribution would suggest a 33% turnover each year; that would mean that roughly 2600 recruiters are replaced every year.  Over five years, that translates to over 21,000 soldiers serving as recruiters at some time between 2007 and 2012.

        So, those 327 recruiters charged with sexual misconduct represent roughly less than two percent of all Army recruiters over that five-year period.

        In other words, more than 98% of recruiters were NOT accused of sexual misconduct over the last 5 years.

        Yes, we need to do everything we can to prevent this, and we should certainly punish those responsible for such acts - but we should also be careful to note that the VAST majority of folks in these positions of trust are honorable soldiers.

        The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

        by wesmorgan1 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 10:14:15 PM PDT

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        •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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          I learned it at seventeen first hand. And have numerous encounters with others who have also experienced it. We were looking for a job, not to get laid.

          •  I understand what you're saying... (0+ / 0-)

            ...but, with all respect, I don't think it fair to extrapolate that to the thousands of soldiers who have served as recruiters, drill instructors, etc. and performed in a completely honorable and aboveboard fashion - which is the VAST majority of such soldiers.

            I mean, that's like saying that since I know four teachers who had affairs with students, it's obvious that "teachers have a reputation" for having affairs with their students.

            The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

            by wesmorgan1 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 11:29:32 PM PDT

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            •  To add (1+ / 0-)
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              The numbers you cite are low because we live n a rape culture that punishes those that attempt to report being assaulted.

            •  No, clearly you don't understand (0+ / 0-)

              And because it never happened to you, it's very easy for you to dismiss or minimize the overwhelming evidence of a serious failure to supervise and police the predatory behavior of service members who are entrusted with the lives and well-being of new recruits.

              Why are you obsessively focused on only the tiny number of completely prosecuted cases?

              We all know full well know that the vast majority of assaults go unreported, and of those that ARE reported, a large number of victims are denied access to medical care, denied any approximation of due process, and sometimes face harassment, retribution, demotion, and discharge.

              You see how that works? New recruit has difficulty in training because they have PTSD. Drill sargeant writes them up for one or more small infractions. They make it to the MOS training, (their job specialty) and finally seek medical attention for their recurring nightmares, and inability to concentrate on their studies. Maybe they get diagnosed with anxiety and are given medication. Now there is a medical reason to kick them out of training.

              They reveal to a medical officer that they had been assaulted by a recruiter or a drill sargeant. The flush machine will make sure that person gets discharged pronto.

              Military culture has a very long history of discouraging people from speaking up. To suggest that this small number of firings reflects a clean house of good, honorable men it just laughable.

              As we've seen with the Catholic Church, there are predators, and then there are those who cover up for predators. Sure, I believe there are thousands of honorable men and women in those rolls who are doing a wonderful service. But the vast majority of them are simply NOT in a position to address the problem of others predation, and others who cover up.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 10:09:31 AM PDT

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    •  This is absurd - e.g. that a DUI is no big (0+ / 0-)

      deal and the person would have been promoted anyway, even if the military knew about it at the time.

      Total bullshit.

      Recruiters are the public face of the military - the one that most people that the community see as exemplary of military life. Any screw ups like a DUI, or a conviction of assault is a HUGE liability for that WHOLE BRANCH of the military.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 10:42:02 AM PDT

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      •  DUIs (0+ / 0-)

        often get turned into something less in the civilian legal system...they don't always show up on NCIC checks either.

        And again, we are talking about a tiny percentage...you are expecting a system that tracks thousands of people to not ever miss anything ever or it's all worthless.

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