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  •  oh look the biggest shiny object for libertarians (2+ / 0-)
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    Congress can not do it all hence the need to delegate responisblities. That said yes Congress needs to do a better job of it's oversight or maybe just paying attention. Then again is that such a surprise with how unpopular Congress is?

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    by duhban on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 05:13:17 PM PDT

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    •  As the comments in this diary make clear (0+ / 0-)

      There is literally NOTHING Obama can ever do or say that will satisfy the "principled leftists."  Nothing.  They scream from the rooftops that they want reform!  They want safeguards!  They want limits!  So now we have a clear case where Obama -- before the Snowden story ever broke -- invited Congress to work with him on reforms and more protections, and now he is actually sitting down with Congress to work on these very issues, and they STILL rant and rail against him.  

      Keep fighting the good fight, duh ban.  Another voice of reason is always appreciated.

      •  Dude (5+ / 0-)

        It's a secret court and a runaway spy agency with zero oversight.  Stop the drama.  The whole setup is a goddamn joke for the NSA to whatever the fuck they want and their cover their asses too.

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        by yet another liberal on Fri Aug 02, 2013 at 08:59:18 PM PDT

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        •  No, dude, it's not (1+ / 0-)
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          The sky is not falling.  The black helicopters have not taken flight.  There is no all-seeing evil eye watching you.  And the hysteria and bed-wetting does not serve any legitimate purpose except to create false impressions.  You give our national security officials both far too little and far too much credit.

          Do we need more oversight?  Sure.  More oversight is a good thing.  Public advocate/guardian for FISC proceedings, maybe.  Release of redacted ruling/opinions by the FISC.  Stronger role/powers for an IG solely dedicated to monitoring the NSA programs?  Sure.

          But guess who has been instituting more oversight, by way of vigorous compliance audits?

          And guess who has been calling for reforms since before anyone ever heard of Snowden?  Not nonsensically asking to do way with the programs, not wailing hysterically about non-existent systemic abuses, but asking for reforms, more oversight, but with a proper balance.  

          Why, Lordy!  Whoever could it be???

          •  Take a deep breath, Christ (1+ / 0-)
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            You really need to learn to state your POV without all the crap you project.

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            by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 12:18:48 AM PDT

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            •  I'm not Christ, though I can understand your error (1+ / 0-)
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              The whole setup is a goddamn joke for the NSA to do whatever the fuck they want
              And you need to learn to support your wild assertions with evidence.
              •  They do whatever the fuck they want (1+ / 0-)
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                And then they brief 8 fucking members of congress.  Yes, they do whatever the fuck the want.  Nobody's in a position to stop them.  The court and the laws are setup to make sure of it.  I'd say attention but you're just a stupid troll.

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                by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 01:01:44 AM PDT

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                •  Their biggest Congressional critics . . . (1+ / 0-)
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                  . . . just acknowledged that there is no abuse.

                  Are they part of the scam now, too?

                  As has been the case from day one, this whole affair is an overblown load of horseshit, with everyone acting like they had never even heard of the NSA, or data mining, or eavesdropping, until June of this year, and running around like Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling -- all because they were told a scary ghost story by The Glenn Freaking Greenwald about what the big, mean, scaaaaary  government could maybe, possibly, someday sort of do, maybe, if someone overcame the technological hurdles and deliberately and blatantly broke the law and didn't get caught.

                  With every passing day, with every passing week, this story turns into yet another Greenwaldian turd.

                  •  Oh brother (1+ / 0-)
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                    Do you believe this shit?

                    Congressional critics just acknowledged?

                    Holy fucking shit.

                    You can't be this stupid.

                    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

                    by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 01:21:24 AM PDT

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                    •  What you aren't realizing (2+ / 0-)
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                      is that he isn't that stupid.

                      He's doing this intentionally. He does the same thing in every one of these NSA/Greenwald/surveillance related diaries.

                      That's his thing. It's obvious.

                      Just stop responding to him. It's a waste of time.

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                      by DeadHead on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 04:26:10 AM PDT

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                      •  Yep -- still no evidence of abuse (0+ / 1-)
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                        Snowden's given us none.
                        Greenwald's given us none.
                        The Congresspersons who want reforms say there's none.

                        LOL -- but the dogged Obama critics just "know" there's abuse.

                        In other words, all this time, and nothing has changed, except the level of the screeching hysteria.  All we have is exactly what we had before anyone ever even heard of Snowden:  Programs that maybe, possibly have the potential capacity to maybe be abused if someone was dedicated enough, didn't mind breaking the law, and didn't mind getting caught; and a President calling for additional reforms and safeguards.

                        Please notice, as always, that the critics have to resort to name-calling and insults when their arguments fail.

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