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  •  Roman empire - not just parallel, but identical (11+ / 0-)

    a historian friend and a classic scholar had a meeting last week

    they were reviewing the small, readable book "Are We Rome?: The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America" published in 2008

    they concluded that there is more than a parallel path for these two empires, they are on identical paths

    a major issue is the role of the military in both empires

    the diary today has articles about various aspects of our military, including the NSA and administration and congress

    in addition the courts are part of the military effort

    there are times when one of the branches speaks out, but the trend is to be identical to the Roman Empire

    The classics scholar in the above meeting, in a recent book he wrote points out, that democracy is about power, not freedom. And we know that the 1% has the power and is using governments to maintain their power, or, now that they are out in the open, they are grabbing more power and making most of us sharecroppers.

    The book mentioned above was written by a journalist, not either the historian or classics scholar.

    •  Exactly (8+ / 0-)

      and well put, Don.  I suppose it was always this way to some extent, but the post-FDR era and then the post-LBJ era were flukes, a period of time in which the middle class had some real numbers, some significant wealth (not a lot, but enough), the labor unions were well entrenched, and the people had some real power.

      Ever since FDR, the robber barons have been trying to reverse the New Deal, with little success until 1980.  Carter, as good as he was on some things, really set the ball in motion by not standing with the unions.  Reagan, as we know, did a lot of damage. And we haven't had a Democratic president who wanted to continue FDR's vision since LBJ and ironically Nixon.  Both of them probably did it because they were afraid of the people, which is the way it should be and because we had strong FDR minded people in Congress and because moderate Republicans still existed then.  We could go on and on about the decline and ruination of this country that we've watched during our lifetimes.  It has been so painful to watch.  

      The party of FDR basically does not exist anymore.  However, the messaging of the party of FDR has been co-opted and it's used by the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama in the most dishonest of ways.  The whole party still uses the messaging. But almost none of them walk the walk. They are riding on the successes and ideology of the FDR Dems who came before them, and any Dems who really did represent the people.  And all the while, they tear down the work of those same Dems whose coattails they ride on, brick by brick.

      America has not yet realized that these corrupt Democrats are no longer the party of FDR.  Hell, most hyperpartisans haven't realized it yet, though, to be fair, some of them are openly anti-FDR. Did you ever wonder why, ever since Obama got elected, he almost never mentions FDR?  And among his most fervent supporters, you'll find some who strategically insert themselves into conversations about FDR in order to derail the conversation away from New Deal solutions to today's problems, and to disparage FDR?  It's interesting.

      Anyway, I've seen the Roman empire analogy used a lot, but my knowledge of history is not very broad or deep, though I've been working on that a lot lately, especially on the recent history of things that happened during my lifetime that I really didn't understand, and also the late 1800's and first third of the 1900's.  Most recently, I've been zeroing in on 1980's and Latin America, and also learning more about the things I didn't know about Vietnam, which was always a blurry confused question for me.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:03:53 AM PDT

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      •  diary up now has a list of America is #1 (6+ / 0-)

        the diary is about the "centrists" but lists the common understanding of what America is about

        both parties, the media and the oligarchy buy into the items on the list because that is where the party and Obama live

        recent events have made this explicit and sticking with "more and better democrats" is really about the items on the list

        the fact that the FISA ruling from 2011 which says that what NSA is doing violates the constitution and the law, and even the members of congress cannot see the secret ruling says how far we have fallen

        [http://www.dailykos.com/... What Hard Core Centrists are About}

        •  Support for the status aquo isn't the center, it (2+ / 0-)
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          is conservatism. The GOP is almost purely reactionary, and the Dems a mix of reactionaries, conservatives and maybe a couple of lefties like Barbara Lee.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:46:14 AM PDT

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    •  That's kind of what "power to the people" was (1+ / 0-)
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      about, it needs to be resuscitated.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:43:16 AM PDT

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