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  •  I tried, honestly. (5+ / 0-)

    I tried to read Stranger in a Strange Land and I hated it so much it actually made me angry. Then a friend told me that if I really wanted to read good Heinlein, I should pick up The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, so I tried to read that one, and I hated it so much it actually made me angry.

    People still try to suggest other Heinlein works to me, but now I just ignore them.

    •  Yeah, he really irks me too...especially his (3+ / 0-)
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      Dragon5616, phenry, Troubadour

      female characters--his "feminism" always seemed more than vaguely slimey to me

    •  Not surprised that you couldn't finish SiSL (1+ / 0-)
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      but what made you angry?

      Less able to understand why you couldn't finish MiaHM. Much better book. What about it angered you?

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      by WB Reeves on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 05:05:12 PM PDT

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      •  I thought it was incredibly sexist (1+ / 0-)
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        and I'm not normally someone who focuses on that. Everything I read from Heinlein seems to me to be soaked in a really offensive attitude toward women, to an extent that I find hard to divorce from other themes that may be present.

        I also thought the dialog was really annoying. Just talk, for God's sake.

        •  Definition of a "good" Heinlein is slippery (2+ / 0-)
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          serendipityisabitch, FarWestGirl

          Some of his very best writing actually went into his "juveniles" - where he was forced by his publisher to keep it short and simple and tightly focused.

          Even there he was a very mixed bag. While he gets points for making Rod Walker Ambiguously Brown in Tunnel in the Sky, he loses points for his stereotypical caricature of "Uncle Albert" in Time for the Stars - and for some very sexist attitudes also.

          He wasn't even that much of a trail-blazer by then, as Andre Norton had beaten him to the punch by several years, and done it better. (She didn't write "persons of color", she wrote people with different skin colors.  And she came down HARD on the stupidity of bigotry and intolerance, besides.)

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Sat Aug 03, 2013 at 09:34:05 PM PDT

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