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  •  we don't need to ignore facts (1+ / 0-)
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    red moon dog

    although I prefer the term "data"...

    but we don't need to keep rubbing our faces in these "facts" either.

    at some point we need to move on. there i've said the bad awful horrible thing: yes. move on.

    we don't need to deny man's inhumanity to man. we need to change the model... whatever it is in our engineering our biology that accounts for this ... our devotion to might-is-right and all that bullshit.

    because we can keep saying how things should never happen again, and yet it only gets worse.

    so i'm thinking we need some better ideas.

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

    by pfiore8 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 11:25:01 AM PDT

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    •  a correct diagnosis is important (1+ / 0-)
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      Here, Rangel's comment clarifies that in facing the Tea Party we are still facing the same demographic and group that we were facing in dismantling Jim Crow and segregation and a lot of the same tactics are worth keeping in mind.

      Yes, name calling and might-is-right is counterproductive and foolish and not a whole lot better than the name calling by the Tea Party, but that isn't to say that an accurate diagnosis of what the attitudes and motivations in our opponents isn't useful.

      I get the sense that you are pointing in part toward the question of "how do we respond to it?"  Yes, seeking to convincing and change attitudes is far better than just sinking into an us vs. them bloodfeud mentality.

      Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 12:32:34 PM PDT

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      •  actually, i'm tired of responding to "it" (2+ / 0-)
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        that's exactly the problem. we spend so much time trying to respond to "it" or correct "it" and it seems to keep us from changing the model... we simply reinforce the status quo by responding in the same expected way over and over again. i'm sure this diary is no surprise to the Tea Party, as their inane insanity is no surprise to me.

        in my opinion, those who changed the game stopped responding to ignorance and started appealing to what is better in us... our more noble nature.

        love, honor, integrity... common good.

        but it seems that we love being stuck in the mud... just look at the dKos front page... it is all about the lunatics in washington.

        we can do better, but not like this.

        “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

        by pfiore8 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 12:48:26 PM PDT

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    •  How is it "rubbing your faces" (1+ / 0-)
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      in the facts... unless you are admitting to being a card carrying member of the Tea Party... which, if that is the case... carry on... at your own risk.

      Funny how you never got your dander up for any of the Don Lemon "these are the problems with the black community" diaries as "rubbing our face in it"... or is it ok in your estimation that "those people" have their face rubbed in it but when it's white people's failings then that's just wrong...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 02:42:31 PM PDT

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        Funny how you never got your dander up for any of the Don Lemon "these are the problems with the black community" diaries as "rubbing our face in it"... or is it ok in your estimation that "those people" have their face rubbed in it but when it's white people's failings then that's just wrong...
        first, how do you know I did not get my dander up? problems in the black community, white people's failings... give me a break.

        seriously. this doesn't solve anything. in fact, it maintains the status quo imo. but that is a comfortable place to be, right? it means we get to hold onto what we think we know about each other. and obviously, we know so little.

        but hey, you keep at it.

        “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

        by pfiore8 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 05:23:03 PM PDT

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        •  you did not get your dander up here (0+ / 0-)

          I will concede that it is entirely possible that you did so elsewhere...

          Possible but not probable seeing that you cannot see how your persistent state of denial "maintains the status quo" while you try to shut down discussions of the status quo by alleging they only maintain it.

          if you don't want people to talk about it, here's an idea... don't post it in a public forum. then you won't even have to go through this exercise in kabuki theater where you act as if you are oh so put upon by a tangent you made an unsolicited and uncoerced decision to launch.

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 08:07:57 AM PDT

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