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  •  Calling a duck a "goose" doesn't change its nature (0+ / 0-)

    And no court in the land is going to fall for that.

    •  How does one prove that the original tip (0+ / 0-)

      for an otherwise lawful investigation was unlawfully gotten, especially when states secrets prevents that from being disclosed? I think you have an overly optimistic view of our legal system today, and this has almost certainly already happened, and will likely only get worse.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 08:29:48 PM PDT

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      •  Calling it a "valuable lead"... (0+ / 0-)

        ...doesn't change the fact that it's been acquired illegally, and the "fruit of the poison tree" doctrine still applies, whether one government agency shares with another or not.

        •  But how do you prove it (0+ / 0-)

          if the original tip was acquired through classified programs about which no government official can or will speak officially?

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 01:21:09 PM PDT

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          •  So we just turn a blind eye to governmental... (0+ / 0-)

            ...misconduct poisoning our justice system?

            Why didn't prosecutors think of this before!  It's genius!  Just claim, "What exculpatory evidence?!  We ain't seen no exculpatory evidence.  Bob, did you see any exculpatory evidence?  No?  Me, neither."  Suddenly, every case is a winner for the state!

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