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  •  Blacks vs N*ggers Has Been Heard Constantly (6+ / 0-)

    among whites who are more prejudiced toward elements of culture than to skin tone. I remember more whites than I could count expressing their preference between the two, back before integration.

    I've argued that this explains the first 2 Black actors to become mainstream stars, Bill Cosby and Sidney Poitier, despite having fairly dark skin, but have northern or foreign accents not one of the accents of the former slave populations.

    --At least, by the time they began to reach out to the mainstream.

    Culture(s) is probably the meaty part of the race conversation we really need to have. The physical stuff, it just is, there's really not much to say about it in the end.

    Culture in theory is something an individual can grow out of, or can adopt another for some uses, so there's a real temptation for those in the mainstream to blame those of minority cultures that seem not to be trying to reach into the mainstream.

    The complication is that large visible culture traits are the tip of a pyramid of many small traits and habits that the mainstream have been acquiring from parents, neighbors and many other sources since birth.

    So for those who have to take it on later in life, teen years or later, do we insist that since we've had integregation for over half a lifetime, it's all the minority's responsibility to go back and learn to crawl then walk before they can compete successfully with the mainstreamers who are now halfway around the track?

    The conservative loves to point to the individual, often themselves, who overcame adversity, and argue therefore that adversity isn't a problem society should address.

    Or what kinds of blame and responsibilities does society have to help in cultural recovery with a population whose mechanisms of cultural inheritance the mainstream so badly disrupted for so many generations?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 at 07:04:01 PM PDT

    •  Among many other key points, (4+ / 0-)
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      this one shines:

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      Or what kinds of blame and responsibilities does society have to help in cultural recovery with a population whose mechanisms of cultural inheritance the mainstream so badly disrupted for so many generations?

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      There it is.

      •  Then explain how so many Blacks have reached (0+ / 0-)

        or have been raised to reflect what I call the "norm" society.

        How many of us have made fun of the way "Rednecks" speak. They don't sound like us so "they gots te be dum."

        Bill Cosby was raised poor and in the ghetto as were many other Blacks who've reached the middle class and above.

        Over the years, people of all races and ethnicities listened to the way "educated" people spoke and tried to learn by mimicking (in a good way) what they heard. How is that bad. It's called "learning."

        It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

        by auapplemac on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:14:56 AM PDT

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