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  •  and he's savvy enough (2+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean, lysias

    to ask the right questions of the right people.

    the bottom line- as i keep pointing out- is that this warning did not come from the domestic spying. it in no way justifies the domestic spying.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:57:22 AM PDT

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    •  Sure, like the way he let Clapper lie to his (1+ / 0-)
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      face under oath.

      1. You don't KNOW that there really was a warning.

      2. If there was, you don't KNOW that it didn't involve domestic spying.

      You may be right, but you have no basis for belief, except for statements coming from the same security apparatus that benefits from them.

    •  listen - i am solidly in Wyden's corner... (1+ / 0-)
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      but he gets told too and i think even he's admitted to being surprised by some of it in the past couple months.

      he's not the one intercepting the communication.

      i trust my mother, but even she's fallible fcol.

      "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:03:47 AM PDT

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      •  heh (2+ / 0-)
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        remember, he has access to everything, including the intel data itself.

        i don't know that he's been surprised. congress, overall, was not told much at all about this, but wyden had been hinting at this for over two years, chafing against his security clearances. when the snowden story broke, udall said flat out that he's been trying for two years to warn people, without violating his own clearances.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:07:38 AM PDT

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        •  yeah but known it all? are ya sure? is it (1+ / 0-)
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          possible that perhaps some thigns are being played up quite a bit and Wyden wouldn't know?

          kind of like they downplayed the "bin Laden determined to attack" memo?

          he is being given intel by people who have a stake in the programs that are being debated.

          i'm not saying Wyden is suspect or stupid or anything of the sort, just that i don't trust the people giving the info to him and i think they're also probably pretty accomplished liars as well.

          "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:52:40 AM PDT

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