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  •  Thanks for the straight answer. (0+ / 0-)

    Can you give some examples, maybe, of where you've seen this happen in your world? Or even better, on Daily Kos?

    I'm not, by the way, looking to challenge you. My aim is to learn your perspective.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 01:38:04 PM PDT

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    •  If every human on the planet had the same ... (0+ / 0-)

      skin coloring, individuals would still find some way to contrast themselves against every other person they might be compared to and come up with some element about themselves that would support their belief that they're not inferior to the other person.  It's the human need to be competitive, to see themselves as superior to others in one way or another, that's the crux of the problem.

      No doubt many will adamantly claim that "I'm not like that", but I've yet to meet a single human who would say (and believe) "I'm inferior to every other person in every possible way, and knowing that doesn't bother me in the slightest".  In other words, until humans evolve past needing to compare themselves to others, little will change.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:02:06 PM PDT

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      •  I'm going to (0+ / 0-)

        be more optimistic than that.

        Full equality is an ideal that you and I, certainly, will never see reached, and perhaps none of our descendants, but I believe we can and will continue to make progress toward that goal.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:21:34 PM PDT

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    •  your world? you mean the real world? (3+ / 0-)

      Lots of examples. And taking your question seriously. The potential of the Populist movement was derailed by white racism, when the movement went North and began to take on housing segregation and wealth inequality many theretofore white liberals abandoned it if not turned against, organizing during the 1930s by white leftists who were unable to understand black folks concerns about white supremacy and wanted it subsumed by a class struggle that ignored such particulars, organizing in particular trades/labor markets in the South and the Southwest, Bacon's Rebellion could be viewed through that lens, etc. etc. etc.

      "White liberals" are not immune from white racism, the wages of whiteness, and white supremacy. They just play the game differently. Look at the post civil rights era and the triumph of the politics of colorblindness and how that effectively neutered black justice claims--and how yes, many "liberals" on issue specifics side with protecting Whiteness as a type of property as opposed to any real engagement with the justice claims of non-whites and how to effectively craft policies to redistribute resources and create more opportunities.

      •  When I say "your world" (0+ / 0-)

        I mean the world of your individual experience (so, y'know, a metaphorical 'world' rather than a literal one).

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:53:03 PM PDT

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      •  White racism has been a factor in (2+ / 0-)
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        the failure of feminism, the demise of unions, the erosion of public education, and pretty much every other lost good idea to roll into the schoolyard since the civil war.  I think it owes its persistence to a fear of retribution, an honest, gut feeling that, given the opportunity, blacks would reciprocate the hospitality they have endured.  That projection-fear is a subtext, for the most part, buried under tons of bullshit/bravado.  

        Unfortunately, until white people as a group wise up to the damage it does, things will probably continue unpleasant.

        It's been a long haul, no end in sight.

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