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  •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, it is a stereotype, just as much as saying there aren't very many black people who value education or that there are few Jews who arent greedy or whatever the Fox pundit racist talking point du jour is.

    Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

    by Mindful Nature on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:01:58 PM PDT

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    •  No, it isn't a "stereotype" (0+ / 0-)

      like saying black people don't value education. White people are the beneficiaries of racism and regardless of what they say what they do is a different matter. The majority of white people who are part of gentrification support affirmative action, and yet they're perpetuating a racist system and dispersing communities of color through gentrification. Plenty of white people oppose racism in theory and reinforce it in practice.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:20:50 PM PDT

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      •  Interesting choice (1+ / 0-)
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        And what do you call the black professionals who move into the newly higher rent neighborhoods?  Race traitors?   I don't think that is right.  They are just people making a living.   To blame them for the dispossession of other black people totally fails to understand the dynamics at work here.  See, in your particular example you seem to have unwittingly equated "poor" with black (ignoring also that white people get displaced also). I don't really so far find your case that you aren't dealing in stereotypes super convincing.

        Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:27:55 PM PDT

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        •  Why would we call the black professionals (0+ / 0-)

          that move into another neighborhood anything other than black professionals. You're treating two groups with separate situations as if they have the same amount of power. They don't.

          To blame them for the dispossession of other black people totally fails to understand the dynamics at work here.
          Huh? Where did I blame black professionals for the displacement of other black people? It isn't as if white people are being forced out of the suburbs by black professionals. But black families in cities are being priced out of neighborhoods they've live in for decades. And it's happening because more well off white people are moving in. You're trying to apply equal rules to unequal situations.
          I don't really so far find your case that you aren't dealing in stereotypes super convincing.
          Since you're invested in believing that white people don't perpetuate racism, as a race, then you'll refuse to accept any evidence that they do in fact do so. You'll take white people at their word, unless they're right wingers, that they aren't racist. You've already done so by citing that they "support affirmative action" and yet you haven't shown that they actually support affirmative action. Just that they say they do.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:37:34 PM PDT

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          •  Absolutely not (2+ / 0-)
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            Well, if you are going to blame the rich people buying houses in redevelopment areas, then you have to blame the black professionals for displacing the white families who are priced out just as much.  Unless you are making the rather untenable suggestion that all poor people are black and that all rich people are white, then that is also a conclusion you have to draw

            Of course, I do reject the notion that white people do anything "as a race" just as I reject the idea that black people do anything "as a race".  I see people as people, not as races.   I don't automatically presume negative things about people based on their race.  That'd be wrong, both factually and morally.   I have a lot more in common with black urban educated kossacks than I do with white high school dropouts in Tennesee by a wide margin.  And that means I do not put on the blinders as to what people do.  If your idea was correct, then people would profess support for affirmative action, but these policies would never have been instituted.  Yet they were.  Now something tells me you'll have a pat explanation for why your theory that all or most white people are racist, but at some point facts are facts.   As I have some point, people just have to get past thinking in stereotypes and work to see people as people.  I highly recommend that

            Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

            by Mindful Nature on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:25:40 PM PDT

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      •  So why do black people in the US (0+ / 0-)

        not join forces with the poor/white collar people of the US like they did in the UK?

        Seeing all whites as an enemy has done AAs a disservice, imho.

        Everyone needs allies.

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