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  •  And the people who get paid to do those jobs? (13+ / 0-)

    You realize that nine out of ten of the jobs you cite as things a person could do to "earn" TANF, WIC, Unemployment (which is INSURANCE and paid for by the employee during their employment), Disability, etc. are someone else's livelihood?  Picking up trash -- paid city job.  Cleaning schools -- paid state employee.  Teachers aid, hall monitor, processing claiming for the Social Security office or military, painting public structures -- every last one of these is someone else's paycheck, that you would take away just to make sure these people who are poor, abused, disabled, can't FIND a job, etc. aren't getting any "freebies."

    Sorry.  Can't stand behind that at all.  The diarist's husband has paid back the government probably a hundred-fold for the $300/month his family lived on when he was a child.  His siblings have certainly added their contributions.  And his mother herself eventually went to college, got a job and got a paycheck and paid it back.  Every dime.  And more.

    When you wage war on the public schools, you're attacking the mortar that holds the community together. You're not a Conservative, you're a vandal. -- Garrison Keillor

    by stormicats on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:43:48 AM PDT

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    •  I hear you (0+ / 0-)

      But try viewing it from a different angle.  Most states have seen a lot of cuts in the last 5 years.  Where I live the streets and country roads do have trash that isn't being picked up.  Schools aren't as clean as they could be.  Graffitti is still a problem.  There aren't as many bike paths and pedestrian friendly areas.  There aren't enough recycling programs.  There aren't enough composting programs.  There aren't any real public, free, community day cares.  There are frequently long wait times at government agencies.  There are long hours for teachers grading papers and not enough one on one time with students.

      IOW, there is a lot that we aren't doing that we could be doing.

      And it's not remotely about taking away jobs that people are performing today.  For instance, I mention cleaning schools and you are right that there are people that are paid to do that.  Could we lighten their load and then have them (or the new janitors) help make the building more energy efficient?  Could repairs be done quicker and make the schools overall a better place to be?

      The bottomline is that conservatives portray the people on government assistance as lazy and not willing to do anything.  I don't agree with that assessment but if the economy is not producing the jobs to hire these people, can we create a new system that protects them but also allows them to contribute to society even if it isn't what we have come to think of as a "job"?

      I know that when I didn't have a job and was unemployment and the economy was really in the tank (2008) that I would have been more than willing to volunteer in my local community in exchange for getting and extending my unemployment benefits.

      We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

      by theotherside on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:30:26 AM PDT

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      •  When the people who *are* currently working (4+ / 0-)

        can't even get a job with a living family wage, how will BIG make sure that other welfare recipients have a living family wage? (I say "other" because lots of working poor also have to access welfare benefits.)

        Either they have to stay on non-working welfare, or they will be making a lot more than other working poor people.

        I'm amazed by people's courage and kindness in the face of everything and life.

        by LaraJones on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:55:13 AM PDT

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