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  •  I suspect that Capitalism is a lot like (0+ / 0-)

    Democracy, insofar as it is the worst possible option except for all the other alternatives.

    In this regard I totally agree with George W Bush in that things would be much better if somebody would simply endow me as Dictator (of everything)

    •  That points to the root of the problem (3+ / 0-)
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      People get invested in thinking of capitalism as a political system - when it is really just an economic system that flourishes under many different political systems, including, perversely, some of the most draconian forms of totalitarianism.

      If it's
      Not your body,
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      And it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 09:21:25 AM PDT

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      •  Still, the open question remains "what is the (0+ / 0-)

        alternative"?

        The problem being that no other economic system has shown much promise (unless you are enamored with China's strange mix of of totalitarianism and capitalism - which is either the best or worst of both worlds, depending on how one looks at it).

        •  Try cooperatives...look up Mondragon etc (4+ / 0-)

          Gar Alperovitz has a book out on what next that offers systems that are viable and have a track record.  You just don't hear much about them...cause they aren't on the corporate radar.

          Try State Banks: read Ellen Brown's books.  

          Dollarocracy is not Democracy

          by leema on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

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          •  I understand that one can sit down and (1+ / 0-)
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            propose all kinds of wonderful and plausible ideas in theory.

            But in reality they don't tend to work out all that well for any number of reasons - in most cases simply due to human nature (read: greed).

            •  Guess you didn't look up Mondragon. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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              Dollarocracy is not Democracy

              by leema on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 02:46:50 PM PDT

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            •  Human's are not naturally "greedy." (2+ / 0-)
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              That's a cartoon version of human nature created by the people it benefits the most:

              The 1%.

              In reality, that 1% is greedy, the alphas, the sociopaths, whereas most of us are fine with getting by, living in peace, trying to enjoy life.

              Humans actually lived communally for their first 200,000 years on the planet. We are "naturally" a social people, given to sharing, given to cooperation. We just have this highly aggressive, often vicious alpha class that has tried to ram a vision of human nature down our throats that really only fits for them.

              And they've succeeded all too well.

              It's a great trick, too. Make your own sociopathology the "norm" and it sustains your ability to be a sociopath.

              •  What's worse, it's contagious (2+ / 0-)
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                or at least it makes it easier for other sociopaths to climb to the top of the ladder and become excessively influential - and pretty soon you have a kakistocracy (rule by the worst).

                There's a book, Political Ponerology, which tries to explain it, but the author's own history sounds just a leetle teeny bit paranoid...possibly with some reason.

                http://www.ponerology.com/

                If it's
                Not your body,
                Then it's
                Not your choice
                And it's
                None of your damn business!

                by TheOtherMaven on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 09:59:11 PM PDT

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    •  But it is fundamentally unsustainable (3+ / 0-)
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      so we better start thinking about our options.

      “It takes no compromise to give people their rights...it takes no money to respect the individual. It takes no political deal to give people freedom. It takes no survey to remove repression.” ― Harvey Milk

      by lucid on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 09:27:27 AM PDT

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