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  •  But we are in the streets (22+ / 0-)

    ...in Asheville, NC - 10,000 on Moral Monday

    ...in Chicago - demonstrations against ALEC at the Palmer House Hilton
    ...in Chicago - hunger strikes at Chicago hospitals to ensure that undocumented persons can receive organ transplants - agreements with Northwestern, Loyola, Rush, and Christ hospitals this week

    ...upcoming in Charlotte NC - August 19 -  Moral Monday

    ...in Madison WI - daily Solidarity Singalong in state capitol rotunda at noon.

    Can we now retire the meme that we are not in the streets and start adding to the numbers of folks who are?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:01:09 AM PDT

    •  We need to be surrounding and occupying (9+ / 0-)

      all media outlets.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:03:20 AM PDT

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        •  From Chris Hedges: Rise Up or Die (10+ / 0-)
          Truthdig

          It is time to build radical mass movements that defy all formal centers of power and make concessions to none. It is time to employ the harsh language of open rebellion and class warfare. It is time to march to the beat of our own drum. The law historically has been a very imperfect tool for justice, as African-Americans know, but now it is exclusively the handmaiden of our corporate oppressors; now it is a mechanism of injustice. It was our corporate overlords who launched this war. Not us. Revolt will see us branded as criminals. Revolt will push us into the shadows. And yet, if we do not revolt we can no longer use the word “hope.”

          Herman Melville’s “Moby-Dick” grasps the dark soul of global capitalism. We are all aboard the doomed ship Pequod, a name connected to an Indian tribe eradicated by genocide, and Ahab is in charge. “All my means are sane,” Ahab says, “my motive and my object mad.” We are sailing on a maniacal voyage of self-destruction, and no one in a position of authority, even if he or she sees what lies ahead, is willing or able to stop it. Those on the Pequod who had a conscience, including Starbuck, did not have the courage to defy Ahab. The ship and its crew were doomed by habit, cowardice and hubris. Melville’s warning must become ours. Rise up or die.

          We are here.
      •  There is a reason why coups d'état prioritize (10+ / 0-)

        seizing not just the government buildings and military headquarters but the broadcast stations. And the banks.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:08:44 AM PDT

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        •  Not wanting coups d'état (6+ / 0-)

          Just justice.   The coups d'état may already have happened with the Koch and other Wall street players.  who knows?

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:11:58 AM PDT

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          •  The point is not that we should overthrow anything (11+ / 0-)

            The point is that power is held through the communication of ideas and of money. Those are the things that confer both legitimacy and the ability to function. As long as the same people control the government, the banks and the media, everyone else is permanently on the outside. Therefore, interfering with that monopoly on power requires disrupting the government, the banks and/or the media.

            This is basic strategy: knowing what needs to be done, then breaking it down into achievable parts.

            Positive disruption of government has been demonstrated in Wisconsin and Texas. Occupy Wall Street almost achieved a positive disruption of the banks (which elicited a far more aggressive reaction than disrupting the government did). But so far, we've seen no positive disruption of the media.

            "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

            by Geenius at Wrok on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:27:46 AM PDT

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            •  But ..this is why we need think tanks (4+ / 0-)

              on how to do this thing...  How to get people involved enough to help out the Moral Mondays and other activist who are actually trying to make change which does come slowly and not sure a lot of us have that much time...sigh.

              We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

              by Vetwife on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:34:02 AM PDT

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              •  i've come to the conclusion (4+ / 0-)

                that it is too late for us to create think tanks. And really what have think tanks done for us? They issue policy papers (or in the case of Koch brothers) create a place for pols to move in and out of (another revolving door!)

                We have a think tank going already called experience. We see that people have outrage already. They are just looking for a place they can fit within.

                Moral Mondays are catching on in other areas as well. But we need to augment them with other actions.

                We need to look at our strengths and weaknesses and assess how best to use both.

                We have some pretty media savvy folks and they need to augment those of us who are not by gently leading us (as they did through occupy) and allowing those of us who cannot get out as much to be witnesses.

                We have some pretty savvy activists. We need to embrace them and back them up.

                We have all kinds of power. We still have economic power and we need to use it or lose it immediately. We have people power and the same goes.

                Twitter has replaced the news media in some respects. We need to know who and what to follow.

                Hi NSA. I am doing constitutionally protected stuff - like free speech. Too bad you are not!

                by glitterscale on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 06:19:43 AM PDT

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    •  Good ..very good but wondering why (1+ / 0-)
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      we are not hearing more about it but the average  sane american should be in the streets with these activists.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:05:16 AM PDT

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      •  My personal networks (11+ / 0-)

        ...are getting updated reports over FB and email about these events that the media has blacked out.

        Movements attract who they attract.  Don't let "Where is the average American?" frustrate you.  The civil rights movement did not involve "the average American".  The anti-Vietnam War movement did not involve "the average American".  Indeed there was massive propaganda - remember "The Silent Majority" -- to prevent "the average American" from protesting in the streets.  Even the labor struggles of the 1930s did not involve "the average American".

        The media and the powers that be have always found ways to suppress protest through silence or propaganda.

        The high point of the civil rights movement was 250,000 at the Lincoln Memorial in 1963 -- in a country of 200 million people.

        Already in the NC Moral Mondays there have bee over 900 arrests.  In the Occupy movement there were well over 2000 arrests.  I have no idea of the number of arrests at the Wisconsin State Capitol, but it must now be in the hundreds.

        The average sane American gets awakened when his family, friend, neighbor, or co-worker gets arrested for singing in the state capitol building.   There is a universal, "Say what?!" reaction to that suppression.

        Which is the other part of the equation.  In the last two years, the authorities have been heavy-handed in suppressing protests that would in past decades have been tolerated in hopes that they would soon get bored and go away.  Not just quick to arrest, but brutal in the handling of hancuffs and procedures and treating older people as rough as everyone else.  The authorities, Republican or Democrat, want protesters to be scared away from the streets.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:18:36 AM PDT

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    •  As long as these diaries go up (3+ / 0-)
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      more will be informed and join in.  I guess I should clarify.
      There are people in the streets but there should be people protesting in all cities in all states in huge numbers.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:08:29 AM PDT

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      •  There are not even Democratic parties (7+ / 0-)

        ...in all states and all cities in huge numbers.

        The reality of the situation is what it is.  What has happened is that more people are coming out and more people are willing to commit civil disobedience as a form of protest.

        In tracking parallels with the civil rights movement, this is 1962.  And given the action of the Supreme Court on the Voting Rights Act, next summer better be a parallel of Freedom Summer 1964.   It's time to mass people in the ALEC states and the South to secure voter IDs, register voters, and ensure that voter intimidation doesn't work.

        Some folks buying up rural radio stations could be a big help.  Just turning off Rush and putting on country music could change the country.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:26:20 AM PDT

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