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  •  I perfer the long process of taking back the term (9+ / 0-)

    The acronym RKBA existed long before their was a Daily Kos.

    I consider myself an RKBA advocate, and I advocate for licensing, registration, and good cause for concealed carry in public.

    As I understand more and more what's constitutional in the Heller/Moore context, I'm starting to think ongoing training could even be required. E.g. similar to other licensed activities that require CLE, or CME, this could be CFE.

    CFE, because to exercise one's RKBA without creating a menace you have to be trained, practiced, and diligent, and then you have to maintain and even upgrade those skills every time you decide to carry a different firearm.

    Realistically, we already have enough data to compare states. With ongoing tight public budgets it won't be long before states like New York become less willing to absorb the medical and policing costs from guns sold in permissive states like PA and VA.

    City Council Insurance Coverage just got more expensive - thanks to permissive gun laws.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 04:06:36 PM PDT

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    •  I never had a problem with gun owners until (11+ / 0-)

      I found out what a blind spot they had as far as gun ownership is concerned. They fought so dirty to try to make me stop saying that negligent storage and handling of guns needed to be controlled. So now I am in the grandstand and I'm not cheering for their 'rights'.

      Now that the anarchy of toters has gone wild for everyone to see, I have no sympathy for the backlash that is coming their way.  Every day brings another youtube by one of their own who gets all fired up and paranoid.

      give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

      by 88kathy on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 04:13:24 PM PDT

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      •  There are a lot of people like us (9+ / 0-)

        Most of the gun owners I know strongly prefer licensing, registration, and good cause for concealed carry. Responsible gun owners who want to stay alive don't want to be out in public with careless people, or with wanna' be cops, who have such poor judgment as George Zimmerman.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 04:34:02 PM PDT

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        •  Why don't more responsible gun owners actually (6+ / 0-)

          come out and advocate for sensible regulations as Meteor Blades has? Since I know that there are actually many more responsible gun owners that advocate regulations like the ones you propose than there are gun "enthusiasts," I would have expected many of them to come forward and actually lead on the regulations, but (except for a few here and there that are usually attacked by the "enthusiasts" and quiet down) there is hardly any of those coming forward.

          •  I think there are plenty that do (4+ / 0-)

            but they don't grand stand, and they are reasonable law abiding people, so they don't make the news.

            You'll notice that the public events that do make the news all have some asshole gun owner behaving aggressively in some way.

            I came across a concealed carry website yesterday that has some very sobering posts about the responsibilities and liabilities that come with a decision to carry concealed. And that person, gun expert, lawyer, gun trainer to law enforcement, even advocated continuing ed, not just time at the range maintaining your aim and timing.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 06:13:54 PM PDT

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          •  What were the figures from the last (4+ / 0-)

            run up to a vote in Congress?  Something like 80% (or more) of people -- both gun owners and not -- advocated for at least universal background checks.  That's 4 or every 5 people from both sides of the argument supported the bill.  And what happened?  The bill died in the Senate, not even killed by a majority there.  Because it doesn't matter how many citizens speak up in favor of sensible regulation, it comes down to a handful of bought and paid for obstructionists in the pocket of the gun lobby.

            I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

            by mojo11 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 07:10:41 AM PDT

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            •  Some states are leading the way (2+ / 0-)

              With state and local budgets very tight, and getting tighter, IMO is won't be long before states like NY, NJ, MD, get tired of absorbing the medical and policing cost of states with loose gun laws.

              E.g. in New York 7 of 8 crime guns originate outside the state.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:36:16 AM PDT

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              •  And reciprocity agreements aren't helping (2+ / 0-)

                That was the scariest piece of the whole pie.  George Zimmerman would be allowed to concealed carry in NC even though he wouldn't be able to get a permit here (probably... maybe... for now).

                I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

                by mojo11 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 01:44:47 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, reciprocity includes that meme that (2+ / 0-)
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                  presumes permit holder have been properly vetted in their home state and are therefore presumptively law abiding gun owners. And then there are incidents like this, where such YARGOs exhibit careless disregard for the law, a careless disregard for the rights of others.

                  Georgia man to Empire State guard: Can you hold my gun for me?
                  By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times

                  Published July 24, 2013

                  A Georgia tourist, apparently unaware of New York's tight gun-control laws, tried to walk into the Empire State Building on Tuesday with his loaded gun. He was caught, the New York Post reported, when he asked a nearby security guard if there was a place he could store his weapon.

                  Police from the Midtown South precinct responded to the scene and confiscated the man’s .40-caliber Sig Sauer. The man does have a valid concealed-carry permit from Georgia, police said.

                  "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                  by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 02:53:02 PM PDT

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