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  •  You gun-proof the 6year old that did the shooting. (4+ / 0-)


    Now get yourself a song to sing, and sing it till you're done.

    by JayFromPA on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 05:57:32 PM PDT

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    •  When you put it that way it sounds perfectly (11+ / 0-)

      reasonable. Force everyone, even little kids to be trained in a "product" that most choose not to be involved with rather than hold accountable negligent parents.  Now that would be unreasonable, think of the rights of those parents!

      •  Are you saying avoidance education won't work? (3+ / 0-)
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        Because that would be...

        GUNHO! N-3! The Free Space!

        :-D Enjoy!

        It's getting late. Good night!

        Now get yourself a song to sing, and sing it till you're done.

        by JayFromPA on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 08:03:45 PM PDT

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        •  At least one study says no, it won't. (4+ / 0-)

          I don't have the citation readily available, but the experiment set-up involved giving kids access to what appeared to be a real firearm (don't recall what the study used-- gun that had been rendered nonfunctional?) and just watching what they did.

          The kids whose parents reported that they had been specifically taught about gun safety were more likely to get the gun out and play with it when left unattended for a few minutes than the kids with no gun safety training at all.

          •  I knew about the safety rules and I still played (3+ / 0-)
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            with guns that my friends parents hid in their houses - we always found them, and we specially made a point of finding them after our training as we believed ourselves to be experts.

          •  I see a flaw in your study. (0+ / 0-)
            parents reported that they had been specifically taught about gun safety
            I specifically pointed at avoidance education. I started out typing the more-generic "gun safety" education but dumped that phrase and a couple other options before settling on the word avoidance to describe the education.

            I made that change because "gun safety" can mean different things to different people. To someone who has never had an interaction with an unrestrained wild animal "gun safety" could mean "call the cops". To someone who has never bought any of that hormone-ridden antibiotic-soaked corn-fed grocery store meat because they get theirs from the free-range 100% organic wild.... well, those people have a different definition for "gun safety".

            What I want is a study that measures the instances of a kid violating the avoidance rules. To get that, we need to teach the avoidance rules to large numbers of same-age kids so as to be positive that they all were taught the same lesson, and then test their adherence to the avoidance rules to compare to two control groups. One control group made of kids whose parent's claim to have taught their kids to keep clear and one group whose parents have mentioned guns not at all.

            Now get yourself a song to sing, and sing it till you're done.

            by JayFromPA on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 03:40:31 PM PDT

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          •  I'd also like someone to explain to me (0+ / 0-)

            how  "gun safety" training is supposed to help a child staring down the barrel of his friends little "toy".  The individual with the gun has all the marbles.  I swear, the attitude in this nation that guns are like toothpicks or something is infuriating.  They are killing machines.  Common sense would dictate that there is penal hell to pay for failing to keep it out of the hands of a child.  For. Any. Reason. At. All. No excuses.  We do not allow anyone under the age of 15 to drive for the everlovin sake of Christ.  I can not tolerate "guns don't kill...." mentality.  The nations gun love is insanity.

            Please save a child's life. www.signon.org/sign/sarasota-sheriffs-office

            by kmfmstar on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 07:30:31 PM PDT

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      •  Some studies have been done on those (3+ / 0-)

        kind of trainings. A significant number of kids will pick up the gun anyway. The curiosity over-rides anything they learned in school.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:17:55 AM PDT

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    •  If we'd just turn our kids over to the NRA, (4+ / 0-)

      this would stop happening!

      Get old and do lots of stuff in the process. Half of the fun is trying everything out. --Noddy

      by Debby on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 08:26:25 PM PDT

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    •  The problem is that Eddie Eagle should be (4+ / 0-)

      visiting the parents and telling them to not leave guns lying around or with kids unattended in the first place.  Shit, we have public safety announcements telling parents not to leave kids in hot cars, and at least we prosecute parents who do that to their kids (no matter how unintentional the act was).  But when it comes to guns, we can do no more than give feel good lectures to kids???

    •  Voluntary, opt in for parents who want to pay (1+ / 0-)
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      for it?  Sure.

      If you want it in the school day, what should be cut to make room for it?

      Would you cut Math? Reading? Recess?

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:19:26 AM PDT

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