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  •  As long as you bring up Japan, great idea! We (4+ / 0-)
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    could regulate guns like they do in Japan and reduce many of the 100k plus people that get shot every year, including many suicides. The logical fallacy of people commit suicide in Japan and they have strict gun regulations is about as accurate when compared to having regulations here as the whole "look at what happened in Germany when that guy regulated guns."

    We're not even asking for regulations as restrictive as Japan, just licensing, registration and full criminal background checks on every sale/transfer (the 5-day waiting period that the NRA got their lackeys in Congress to get rid of would not be a bad idea either).

    •  I can tell you right now, licensing and NICS on (0+ / 0-)

      every sale are possible goals.

      Registration is not and will do nothing but harden those who are already against your position...

      I don't agree with any of the three but I am telling you what I think is possible for your side....

      And for Ghu's sake, research the anti gun posts because a post that has too many factual errors in the first paragraph just gets ignored by those you want as allies.....

      Private sales are actually a pure distraction from fixing the underlying societal problems causing violence.  The last reputable study done by the DOJ iirc showed less than 3% of criminals purchased their guns at gun shows and I'd lay a fin that the other private sales aren't that much.

      It's just too easy to buy a stolen gun or to steal one for a crook to actually pay something close to the value of the weapon and private sellers are no cheaper than dealers....they just have stuff you can't get any more...Like a couple years ago when I found a pristine S&W 15-3 Combat Masterpiece for 450 dollars...good price and unavailable from standard sources....same with my S&W model 60 and my latest revolver, an old Ruger Security Six.........Just found a Llama Max1 cheap too though it did need work.  I picked up the parts and now need to do a little lapping and it will be a quite functional hardball only 1911 for under 300 bucks.

      I collect old oddballs, the older and odder the better....I think I have a line on a S&W Combat Magnum...I'll snap the thing if it is any kind of decent shape.

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 08:45:11 PM PDT

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      •  Please link to your source for these claims (2+ / 0-)
        Private sales are actually a pure distraction from fixing the underlying societal problems causing violence.  The last reputable study done by the DOJ iirc showed less than 3% of criminals purchased their guns at gun shows and I'd lay a fin that the other private sales aren't that much.
        I'm willing to consider evidence that I have not yet seen. I'll wait to refute these claims until you have a chance to show  what you thought was the most reputable study.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:53:26 AM PDT

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        •  He's got a weasel word "private sales at gun shows (1+ / 0-)
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          account for ..." and still comes to the conclusion that all private sales are unimportant.  We sure need to plug the corrupt FFLs, but the private sales loopholes (gun show or not) is still an important channel the NRA uses to reverse-launder legal guns into illegal guns.

          •  I read somewhere on the DOJ wedsite that (1+ / 0-)
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            of convicted felons, the largest source of their guns was family and friends, 38% IIRC. I can't remember how I got to that page, but it had a pie chart. Stolen was something like 18%.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 03:17:51 PM PDT

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          •  you want to insult me at least have the decency to (0+ / 0-)

            address me when you do it....

            All that big apologia sure didn't last long did it...I saw you uprating total insults with no redeeming features within a week and now you've graduated to doing the insulting yourself again.

            There is no weasel there, you just don't have your studies straight.

            Private sales are a tiny portion of all crime guns...the great majority are black market and straw purchases/family-friends who are committing a crime by transferring a firearm to someone they know or have reason to know is a prohibited possessor..........

            And yes there are bad dealers.  Sting them and put them in jail....I report illegal dealers when I run across them....do you?

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 05:33:31 PM PDT

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        •  pdf warning and it was last revised in 02, however (0+ / 0-)

          I really doubt there has been much of a wholesale shift in the patterns.

          http://www.google.com/...

          flea markets and gun shows together were only 1.7% while family friends and street illegal are the big sources at 78+% for the pair....

          All legally purchased whether from a store ffl or pawn shop, both which require NICS and flea market gun show which may not was only 13.9%

          So called assault weapons were under 2% at 1.3% holding steady for both surveys.

          As I said, criminals aren't looking to pay list or collector prices which is what most private sales are.  People selling to each other firearms no longer manufactured and as such collectable.....

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 05:27:59 PM PDT

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      •  Why is it so easy to steal guns? (0+ / 0-)
        It's just too easy to buy a stolen gun or to steal one

        Stop the NRA and the NSA
        Repeal the Patriot Act and the 2nd Amendment

        by dream weaver on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 05:26:19 PM PDT

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