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  •  Zuccotti was an especially grey area (1+ / 0-)
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    Because it was one of the only places that I know of that actually had in it's "charter" that it had to be open 24 hours, whereas all the other POPS were set up so they closed for an hour a day.

    Either way, the city of New York illegally shut down the occupation against a ruling by a judge.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 09:32:22 AM PDT

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    •  Except that the "shut down" was illegal for (0+ / 0-)

      half a day? What difference did it really make? There was no way NYC was going to allow permanent camping in Z Park without proper sanitation or food preparation and storage. At the end the OWS group was violating numerous city ordinances.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:04:47 PM PDT

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      •  No, it was for much longer than half a day (1+ / 0-)
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        They had a police cordon around it for like a week. And I understand why the camp was taken down, there were restrictions being violated. Of course, homeless people are forced to violate those restrictions on a regular basis if they want to be safe and warm.

        But it was illegal to refuse entry for as long as they did, and it was illegal to retroactively change the rules.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:14:43 PM PDT

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        •  It wasn't illegal to change the rules (0+ / 0-)

          I remember reading the city rules on changing something like the 24hr rule at ZPark. They rules were burdensome, but there was a path to legally change the rules. Neither the "owner" nor the City of New York wanted camping in ZPark so they were going to shut down the camp due to code violations and/or going through the legal process to change the rules. The camp had run out of goodwill with the NYC administration, the NYPD, and the businesses, employees, and residents that surrounded ZPark.

          OWS was a hell of a story while it was functioning, and changed the narrative for the 2012 elections.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:27:03 PM PDT

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          •  The courts rules that the change was (1+ / 0-)
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            illegal if I remember correctly. It was seen as an attempt to change the time/place/manner restrictions in the course of a protest, which would be illegal.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 12:57:26 PM PDT

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