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  •  I'm always extremely skeptical of alleged (15+ / 0-)

    Progressives who warn not to bother (or warn of the evils ) of other progressive groups.

    I want proof in that case, and a lot of it.

    Karl Rove himself said that a good tactic is for conservatives to embed themselves in communities like ours and dissuade, disillusion and demotivate.

    "Don't bother with MoveOn" seems like a perfect way to do that.

    I've seen this in other areas: unsubstantiated allegations against people on the fringe doing good work. The allegations become rumors, which in turn I then  regularly hear repeated as fact. I've NEVER seen any proof of any of it though.

    But these folks are working against industry, who has a lot to lose against organized advocacy groups. So they fight back underhandedly.

    MoveOn is one of many groups that does good work. People should always research carefully before they donate or commit a bunch of time to any group.

    But here's my thought on MoveOn: it's always mentioned by conservative pundits and politicians as an untoward heavyweight player whose power must be offset or even  limited.

    That says to me that they're doing something right.

    © grover

    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 10:34:00 PM PDT

    •  Arrow , Zing , Bullseye ! (6+ / 0-)

      Top Comment !

      The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

      by indycam on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 07:41:19 AM PDT

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      •  If you're taking flak (4+ / 0-)

        you're probably over the target.  Whether MoveOn is actually effective or not, the bad guys sure seem to think they are.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 08:10:17 AM PDT

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        •  My Pops told me long ago (1+ / 0-)
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          they went on a bombing run ,
          they were not lined up on the target ,
          they flew into and out of the flak ,
          then turned around for another go at it .

          The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

          by indycam on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 08:29:47 AM PDT

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        •  There was a reason (1+ / 0-)
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          they went to such absurd lengths to kill ACORN.  It was everything they feared, a community-based, multi-racial/multi-ethnic coalition of class conscious working people.  Of course they had to kill that.  It was a cynical travesty that the Dems were nowhere to be found in the public slaying of ACORN, after they had benefited so much from its existence.  That the abandonment by the Dems meant an overall "who cares?" attitude by what passes for Liberal America today was more than predictable.

          Secret powers: Money, loud English, and The Bomb.

          by ActivistGuy on Fri Aug 09, 2013 at 10:09:42 PM PDT

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