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  •  I was around during the Vietnam era (1+ / 0-)
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    psnyder

    (just the right age), and I remember that there were men who burned cards, but that's all I remember. I read a comment from someone else on this site who said the practice wasn't that prevalent. It was against the law, and not that many wanted to be arrested for a statement. Sounds like NPR was just buying into the RW meme.

    •  They do that a lot. "Fair and balanced" seems (1+ / 0-)
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      HappyinNM

      to have become their motto, too.

      The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

      by psnyder on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 07:04:40 AM PDT

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      •  Yet I think the tone of the piece devolved (1+ / 0-)
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        True North

        into the total absurdity of the linkage between burning the phantom ObamaCare cards and the draft resisters who knew they'd be going to prison, in the middle of their reporting it. (You might be familiar with Joan Baez's narration of David Harris's arrest; it is on one of her albums).  I was only half listening, and it would strike others as "buying in,"I would guess.  The T-Partiers seemed to be exposing themselves for the strange logic of if you are young and half way libertarian about one thing, then you have just got to resist by getting enthusiastic about this symbolic incineration gesture.

    •  I was around then too. (2+ / 0-)
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      HappyinNM, psnyder

      What I remember is young men who were drafted, stepped forward and publicly refused to serve, risking prison. They based their decision on moral opposition to the war and/or the draft. They were heros, in my opinion.

      •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

        But it is your memory that few burned draft cards? It could be that it just got a lot of notice, like how we supposedly spit on returning warriors.

        •  I don't remember any draft card burning (1+ / 0-)
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          HappyinNM

          There were plenty of anti-war marches and some anti-draft rallies. I was in the Twin Cities at the time, not eligible for the draft because I completed my service in the National Guard. Mrs. Cocinero made food for the guys at an anti-draft office.

        •  Exactly! "Like Spitting" (2+ / 0-)
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          Josiah Bartlett, True North

          My sense at the time was that many more cards got burned than returning warriors got spit on.

          Still, Wikipedia, however, seems confident with an estimate of 25,000 card burnings between 1965 and 1973.

           This does not include  the cards that were "returned" to the Dept. of Defense, or those turned over to pacifist organizations -- the idea being to make the gesture and the commitment, but not to violate the statute.

          Since fewer than 100 draft resisters were convicted of card-burning, it's hard to tell how many of the burned cards were genuine and how many purely symbolic.

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