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  •  I dunno -- my knowledge of history (6+ / 0-)

    is lacking -- but wasn't it a heresy, according to the Catholic church?

    In the early centuries of Christianity, Nestorius was the Bishop of Constantinople. He upset some Christians because he rejected the concept of Mary as “Mother of God,” and emphasized the human nature of Christ. While his teachings were suppressed in the Roman Empire (he died in 451), his religion survived in Asia where it was known as the Church of the East or the Persian Church.

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    by Youffraita on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:15:12 PM PDT

    •  Few Recommendations Higher (10+ / 0-)

      There are few recommendations higher than being labeled a heretic by the Catholic church.

      ;-)

    •  I think Nestorianism became a heresy -- (10+ / 0-)

      -- it took the church several centuries to decide which theologies/philosophies would be classed as heresies, and which accepted as dogma.  Without looking it up, it seems to me that this position would clash with the concept of Christ as 'fully human AND fully divine' that became the established position.  And in order to get past the 'original sin' inherent in being born through an ordinary human mother, the church had to set up the concept of Mary's 'immaculate conception', a kind of pre-natal (pre-conception?) 'filter' so that the divine 'part' of Christ was not sullied by original sin.  (I'm not saying I agree with any of that, I'm just trying to remember what I learned about the development of doctrine.)

      I also seem to recollect that the Empress Theodora (Constantine's wife), had a big following among, and was a supporter of, the Nestorians, which meant that the Constantinople church had (at least) a grudging acceptance of them at that time.  What the church in Rome's stand on them, at that time, eludes me.  But at that time, Constantinople was the center of the church, with Rome agitating to become the center, based on their claim that their tradition was handed down from Peter, who died in Rome.

      •  This was the genesis of the Theotokos-Christotokos (6+ / 0-)

        controversy that was to divide and subsume the church during much of the early 5th century. The controversy was over whether Mary should be called Theotokos (God-Bearer) or Christotokos (Christ-bearer). While nobody at that time had a "low" Christology, the Nestorians feared the "high" Christology of Cyril among others essentially obliterated the humanity of Jesus, and made him only appear to be human, while Cyril thought that Nestorius essentially denied the divinity, which made impossible (in the Greek way of thinking) to effect salvation.

        Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

        by JeffSCinNY on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 04:36:19 PM PDT

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    •  what actually also happened (3+ / 0-)
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      is that this end of Christianty, which was indeed the center of Christian expansion, disappeared from the view of Rome. All of north Africa, including Egypt, and the midEast was Christian, often described as Syriac but it included several branches. Darkness descended on the West, and it generally lost touch with the ancient center of Christianity [not the Byzantines however] until the Crusades. Rome, in its myopic world view, totally rejected the Syrian churches as some kind of crude joke, and some Crusader activity included destroying the Syriac Christians as well. The destruction by the Crusaders helped pave for the complete eventual rout of the Syriac Christians from it's original territories. Even so, 10 million Christians remain in Egypt today, around 10%, and there remain pockets elsewhere, including Iraq.

      The battle for Helms Deep is over. The battle for Middle Earth has just begun.

      by Mithrandir on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 07:28:54 PM PDT

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