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  •  What racist (4+ / 0-)

    characterizations do you see in this cartoon?

    Honest question. Please be very specific.

    •  It's racist to assume (1+ / 0-)
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      that an African-American President exhibits scienter.

      To assume that there aren't racists everywhere, including at progressive blogs, is absolutely incorrect. Racism permeates every facet of American society. We need to work very hard to eliminate this scourge.

      Racism is HUGE here in America, and this cartoon does nothing to help stamp it out.

      In fact, I'm sure that the racists love this cartoon even more than people who are simply pissed off about NSA spying.

      Why give the racists more ammunition? Fuck that.

      -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

      by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 08:56:02 AM PDT

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      •  The cartoon isn't meant to "stamp out racism" (11+ / 0-)

        That's kind of an odd comment.

        Politicians have generally been characterized as dishonest by cartoonists. Because they generally ARE dishonest.

        I for one, hope this trend continues, regardless of the skin color of the politician.

        Calling this particular cartoon "racist" is ridiculous, IMO.

        •  Tea Partiers too believe that (4+ / 0-)
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          everything is hunky-dory between the races, or that it is the fault of minorities that they are not.

          I have a former friend who tends to vote Democratic that says that there's something about Obama he just doesn't trust. He's been saying that from day 1.

          I think I know what it is that he doesn't trust. He's been a fucking racist from day 1.  

          Odd comment?  I get the feeling that racism is not a huge problem in your eyes, that you are NOT on the front lines trying to combat it every day. Well, it IS a big deal to me. I hate racism, and I want to see it stop.

          Our African-American brothers and sisters deserve more from us, their friends, than this.

          Let's NOT pretend that racism is not one of the biggest problems America faces today.

          -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

          by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 09:15:18 AM PDT

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      •  Do you realize how insane (3+ / 0-)
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        you sound?  You're basically claiming that any satire of the president is necessarily racist and that we should focus solely on praising the president to fight racism and ignore all other issues.  

        •  Don't put words in my mouth. (2+ / 0-)
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          You're assuming that the criticisms in the cartoon are accurate. They are not. This guy, President Obama, is NOT spying on us, and does NOT get his rocks off by spying on anyone.

          -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

          by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 09:17:19 AM PDT

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        •  If Obama is spying on us, (1+ / 0-)
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          then it is just as likely that all the people Senator Joseph McCarthy were going after were actually Communists. This fear of NSA spying reminds me of the 50's fear of Communists in this country. It is way overblown.

          -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

          by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 09:37:13 AM PDT

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          •  It not a "fear" (6+ / 0-)

            It's a reality. Your comparison to McCarthy is odious.

            •  So you are thinking there are no (0+ / 0-)

              conspiracy theories being expressed here at dKos on the NSA issue? And you don't think that those who are worked up about the NSA issues are not prone to believe a lot of wild theories about what is going on? I beg to disagree. I see some CT stuff being forwarded here that many are gobbling up without necessary skepticism.

              Just as those who follow Greenwald think that Obama supporters want to believe he would do no wrong, those who have made this their primary issue want to believe that their isn't any hogwash being forwarded here about NSA abuses. There exists a fervor that is ripe for the broad acceptance of some inaccuracies.

              -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

              by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 01:50:11 PM PDT

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              •  Ignore the Tinfoil (3+ / 0-)
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                Are there conspiracy theories being expressed here at dKos on the NSA issue?

                Possibly. I don't read every comment and diary.

                In any case, what Snowden leaked had been warned about many times before by people like Drake and Binney, etc. - people on the inside. I don't think it's particularly "wild" or conspiratorial to listen to what these people have said.

                That combined with our governments well established history of lies and cover-ups ( See Clapper, James), is it really so unreasonable to think that perhaps wrong things are being done ?

    •  The cartoon also trivializes the President's (4+ / 0-)

      intellect. It buys into the notion that he is too stupid to focus on the bigger problems of the country. He is interested instead on spying on Michelle's Facebook account.

      The cartoon treats the former editor of the Harvard Law Review as someone without an intellect. I find this as racist as the Tea Partiers' assertion that Obama reads off a teleprompter and is an empty suit.

      -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

      by sunbro on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 09:50:04 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, project (2+ / 0-)
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        much?  The cartoon merely presents the president as having a misguided zeal for violating privacy.

      •  Again (0+ / 0-)

        this is about Obama's presser where he made the analogy of needing to prove to Michelle by letting her see that he had actually done the dishes instead of just telling her had. This is a bad analogy on Obama's part as the NSA is spying on everybody globally and hoovering up their emails, cells, social media  meta data. They file it, use it, profile us  and store to rout out the 'terrist's who are gonna kill yer family' and associates, amongst us. The FDA is using it for drug bust's, the FBI the Spooks and der Homeland security use it.

        It's not like doing the dishes a harmless activity that does not violate the 4th amendment, is legal, and not the wrong thing to do but the right. On the other hand invading his wife's email and spying on her online is not a good thing it's bad  There you go! The only trivializing going on is being done by Obama's. He's trying to make us comfortable with this Orwellian total information awareness program. Pretty hard even for Obama to sell people this secret spooky illegal violation of our rights as benign and for our protection. Yeah right.      

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